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Episode 361 | When Is It Too Late To Get Into Property?

Have you left it too late?

Has the market moved?

Are you too old to start?

With the media hyping on about how hot the property market is these days, we get that some of you might be feeling a little anxious (even frustrated!). Everywhere you go, you’d probably hear people saying, “The prices are crazy these days!”

And yes, they might be right.

So… If you’re worried that it might be a bit too late to start investing in property, then today’s episode is perfect for you.

And the best part is…

There are quite a few calculations today too!

Better get a pen and paper on standby or just reduce the playback speed on some parts 😉

Oh! Before we go ahead with the questions, just a bit of a teaser… Make sure you stay till the end cause Bryce and Ben will be sharing their early prediction on how this year’s property market will end and where will next year’s market go on the “What’s Making Property News” segment!

 

 

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The Questions We Answer

Question from Luke about Having a $700k Mortgage in Late 40s

My wife and I are at a crossroads.
We never thought owning a home was worth it until now…and I reckon we’ve missed the boat…
For years my wife and I deliberated over buying a home. We travelled for work in our 20’s so renting was easier while we were on the go… by the time we settled down to have kids one income made it almost impossible to save for a deposit.
Fast forward 15 years and we’re 46 with 2 teenage kids and still renting…
We have around $260k in super between us plus $80k in savings. We’re sick of seeing that $3k rent money disappear from our banks each month and we are scared of renting as we age further so is it worth having a $700k mortgage at our age? And if not, what is the best way for us to secure our future?

Recommended episodes for Luke

 

 

Question from John about Selling Shares to Put in an Offset Account

Hi Bryce and Ben.
Love the podcasts and I’ve been a keen listener for a couple of years now.
I’ve learnt a lot from you guys and have recently just bought my first investment property. I also have a small amount of shares invested in the market which I’ve made capital gains on.
My question is – is there any benefit, tax or otherwise, in selling my shares and putting the money in my offset account?
For example, can I reduce my capital gains tax on my shares by moving that asset into the offset account?
P.S GO GWS!

Recommended episodes for John

 

 

Question from Renee about When to Buy a PPOR?

Hey guys, I have recently found your podcast and am grateful for the wealth of knowledge you provide.
So firstly, thank you!
I have a potential podcast question. The penny has just dropped regarding what you said about obtaining negatively geared investment properties with an aim for capital growth early on, then leaning towards neutral and cash flow positive properties later on.
My question is, strategically when does buying a PPOR fit into that scheme? Should you invest, sell, buy PPOR then invest with the equity? Particularly in south Sydney where anything 3 bedroom is at least $1.5 million.
I thought some personal context might be helpful.
I’m 25 and have an apartment in south Sydney that I’m currently living in but could be an investment long term. I have a stable income about $115k that will go up to about $150k by the end of next year which is when I will hopefully buy an investment property.
Obviously holding on to both properties would be the goal but I’m struggling to see how I could buy a PPOR by 6 or 7 years time without having to sell both.
Thank you in advance!

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Question from Peter about Get a Loan with high interest vs. not buying?

Hi Bryce and Ben,
Love your podcasts. Want to ask quick question in regarding real estate investing.
I have reached my borrow capacity but can do low doc loans, would you think it better to get a loan with a bit higher interest than not buying property?

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Episode 360 | The XYZ of Property Pricing: Getting The Rules of Engagement Right

Imagine this…

You found your ideal property in the perfect location. You’ve inspected it, you know exactly what the purchase price is going to be AND you’re pre-approved for that budget. You’ve spoken to the selling agent and is crystal clear with the vendor’s motivation. You negotiated some terms and put your best offer forward and BAM!! it got accepted right away. Happy days!

Unfortunately, it’s probably NOT going to happen in the current market.

When it comes to property prices, getting it exactly right would be perfect for buyers. But in a hot market, it’s very very hard for most buyers to nail it right away. Unless of course you’ve got a lot of spare time in your hand or you’ve engaged a professional to help you out. In today’s episode, we will share the XYZ of property pricing that our own buyer’s agent team are practicing and some of the tips that you can implement right away to get as close to the selling price as possible.

But… are you wondering if it’ll work in the current market and with all these new ways of transacting?

On top of that, with lockdown restrictions, how are you going to inspect properties and if you can’t, should you buy sight unseen?

That’s exactly what we are going to unpack today.

PLUS Bryce and Ben will also be addressing the big old Fixed Rate vs Variable Rate question. With the impending lending requirement changes (check it out in Ben’s RBA update), it’s probably best that you get your loan questions answered sooner rather than later!

Tune in now for the gold!

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The Questions We Answer

Question from Mark about Buying in Covid Lockdowns

I’m currently looking for a home in Melbourne to live in.
Over the last month because of COVID you haven’t been able to inspect any properties however in the last month there’s been about four properties in the same suburb that have sold sight unseen for about $50 to $100,000 above asking price.
Is there any way you can explain this behaviour and give me any advice on how to could compete against these people.

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Question from Tracey about Best Questions to ask a Real Estate Agent

Hi Property Couch Team!
Thanks for the podcasts it’s really driven myself and hubby and has given us the confidence to buy investment property, so much now that we’re looking to buy a second one and this one I’m looking at the Gold Coast.
My question is I have a good handful of properties that I’m looking and interested in but they’re nearly all at auction and I live in northern New South Wales.
When contacting a real estate what are the the first best questions to ask when you can’t go to view the property and you wanna see if it’s in your price range.

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Question about Interest Rates – Fixing Your Loan before buying an IP

Hi guys, first of all thanks for the great podcasts. I’ve been listening for a little while and super inspired with all the informative information.
Just a quick question about interest rates and whether or not I should lock in an interest rate before planning to buy an investment property.
So I’m about to buy an investment property within three months. What are your thoughts on locking in a fixed interest rate today rather than waiting for three months?

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Question from Rhys about Buying Off the Plan and Co-Living Spaces

Good day Bryce and Benji, Rhys here I just want to ask two questions if that’s OK?
First question relates to property advisors/buyers agents. The guy who I’ve been recommended by a friend I’m a bit skeptical of because he doesn’t charge outright and so he takes Commission from the sale of properties and these properties tend to be building like off the plan from developers or builders.
Second question relates to this, he’s really big on co-living spaces, you know for young professionals or whatever, who are seeking out shared living space just because of the rental yield.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on this. I love your show guys thanks for that

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Episode 344 | Have You Made The Wrong Investment Decision?

“Have I made a mistake?” This is a common question we get from investors who just start listening to our podcast and learn the fundamental principles we teach for the first time.

Sometimes it’s directed to a specific property in their portfolio or is based on an investment decision they were initially considering but are now unsure if it’s a good idea or not.

And today we are answering some of these key questions – one, in fact, where the listener is not entirely “wrong” in their choice, though at face value seems to go against our general rule of thumb. You’ll learn why exactly this is and how to use this information in your own decision making process.

On top of that, we’re unpacking how to tell HOW MUCH a property is worth – including common D.I.Y mistakes folks make when trying to value their property and some simple (but overlooked) tips to assess this yourself and how to recognise when it’s time to bring in an expert.

Plus, if you’ve ever considered if solar panels on an investment property will increase its value and even the amount of rent you receive, then definitely tune into this episode… ‘cos you might be surprised by our answer!

You can suss all the questions we answer below – otherwise simply hit play and enjoy the show!

 

Oh, and, yep – Next week we’re kicking off our NEW WINTER SERIES. It’s kinda like our Summer Series but, umm, in Winter 🤣 So we’ll be interviewing our listeners who’ve had Real Life Financial Transformations! And we gotta admit… these stories are off the charts!

 

 

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The Questions

Question from Ricky Comerford on “Getting Solar Systems For Investment Properties

Hi Ben & Bryce and all the team working behind the scenes. I just want to thank you for these podcasts and all the wonderful things that you are doing at Empower Wealth. I have a question today in regards to Solar Energy in a Solar System. Now, we’ve got a strict budget for our primary place of residence that’s currently being built. This house is going to be turned into an Investment Property in 6 years’ time. We’ve been quoted for a solar system and it’s pushing the budget by $3000. Now, the return for investment for this Solar System will be 3-5 years, not taking away the fact that solar power is great for the environment. I just want to know strictly financials What is your opinion on solar systems for an investment property?

Do they increase the value of the home by much and the rental yield? And should we get one installed knowing the situation of this house and our budget and the fact that it’s going to be an investment property? Thanks for your time and yeah, hopefully I get a response.

 

Question from Riley on “Buying New with Grants Instead Of Established”

Hi Bryce and Ben, I’m just wondering with all the government grants that are coming out at the moment, if it’s almost a bit too good to say no to at the moment as a first time buyer. I’ve been looking to get into the market for a while now. And down here in Tasmania, we can access up to $45,000 in grants to build a new place. I know it sort of goes against everything that you’ve taught in your podcast. But I’m just wondering if it’s probably now with these grants a better way maybe to get into the market. I know certainly from my perspective, that’ll help with cashflow as well, given that I’ll probably get an extra, maybe bedroom and bathroom into the house as opposed to buying a smaller townhouse type of property closer to the city. So just wondering what your thoughts would be on that, if it is now possibly a better option to be building a house rather than buying existing? Thank you.

 

Question from Kate on How To Calculate Loan To Valuation Ratio

Love the show. I’ve been listening for a few years now and I’ve done all the episodes and I tell everybody I can about The Property Couch. So my question relates to loan to value ratio.

Obviously, it’s easy to determine what the outstanding loan amount is, but where would you go to determine the best value do the free bank valuations cut it? You know, the ones, I mean, I’ll flick by most of the big banks put the address into the website and they spit out a value, but it is generally so broad that is almost useless. Should I ask the bank where the mortgage is held for evaluation? If so, would there be a fee payable? Should I get a real estate agent thing? I probably want to over the value of the property and use RPM. Isn’t that the same as what the bank is? Please help.

 

Question from Riley on “Have I made a mistake?”

I just want to start off by saying that I absolutely love your podcast along with the books and resources you provide. I have just signed up to your workshop and the Money S.M.A.R.T.S portal, which I am excited to get started on! You’ve probably heard this a lot but I wish I had found The Property Couch sooner!

My wife and I are settling on our first investment property in Vasse, WA next week.  I only found your podcast 4 weeks ago and have a lot of catching up to do! I have a couple of questions if you guys have the time to go over them.

Little bit of background:

We are 34 and 30. Bought our first home together almost 8 yrs ago in Padbury, WA and still living in it now. Had the expensive wedding, bought the dream car (for my wife who has expensive taste) and now we are just about to settle on the first investment property.

Together we earn $203,500 before tax but we are hoping to start a family asap so we will drop down to one wage of approx $104,000 (self-employed and pay myself $2k p/week before tax) in approx 6month – 18months.

The house is a 6yr old 4×2 in Vasse on 570m2, great spot (I think) between the high school and primary school in a fast-growing area (they predict the population of the South West will quadruple in the next 20yrs) and rentals are very scarce. We paid $416,000 and it is currently rented out for $480 p/week on a 18month lease. We signed up on a very low rate 2yr interest only loan and I have worked out that after expenses (mortgage, prop manager fees, insurance, rates and 1.5% maintenance) we will have approx. $10,240 left over making this property positively geared.

In my view (prior to discovering your podcast) I thought it would be great to have it positively geared straight away as we can put that surplus towards the deposit for the next property and/or renos for the Padbury house (want to make it into a 4×2, currently a 3×1

and already have plans drawn up) but from everything I have heard is that when you first acquire a investment property it starts off negatively geared and may take 5-10yrs to become positive.

 

So to the questions:

  1. Have we done something wrong?
  2. Do you recommend that we put all that surplus into the Padbury house (PPOR) offset until we are ready for the next deposit or would you put it into the investment house offset?
  3. Do we make it negatively geared for the short term to pay less tax? (we have surplus cash that I’d love to put towards our next property asap even though we are paying lots of tax)
  4. After the 2 yr period would you switch to a P&I loan or keep it on a IO loan?

 

I know there are a lot of factors at play, and I hope I have given you guys enough information to comment on our situation and we would love to hear your views. Sorry if this has been covered in your podcast but I am still only up to episode 40, I need to do some more long drives as that is the only chance I get to listen 🙂. Again, thanks to both of you for your time and knowledge, you make me excited about property investing and I can’t wait to learn more and more as I go through TPC free resources.

 

 

 

Episode 342 | From $250K to $2M Properties: How To Invest No Matter What Your Budget Is!

Have you ever wondered how to invest in property with YOUR specific budget?

Like, what if you DON’T have a big budget to spend…?

Or, on the contrary… what if your budget’s actually quite healthy – but you’re not sure if a $1 million – $2 Million property is really a premium investment (Should you buy two cheaper investment properties instead?)…

Folks, they’ll be something for you in this Q & A episode… ‘cos we’re covering A LOT of ground here – how to invest no matter what your budget, age or strategy is!

We’ve got everything from…

  • Investing at 21… and 60!
  • Buying $250K or $2M Properties
  • Getting the “Big Rock in the Jar” at every life stage
  • Selling an investment to buy a dream PPOR
  • Understanding The Donut Ring concept
  • Unpacking new ATO data that reveals current investment trends
  • Helping kids get on the ladder
  • Why Rentvesting is mathematically a better idea, BUT….

Let’s just say: you’re in for a solid treat.

Listen now and find out how to successfully invest at any stage of life or budget 🕺▶

 

 

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The Questions We Answer…

 Question from Sharon on Buying Higher Priced Properties

Hi Guys, Thanks for having such a great podcast. I’ve recently got very addicted to it and I’m really enjoying it. I do have a question though around the value of properties that we should buy. I hear you talk a lot about your asset selection but I never heard you talk about higher priced properties, so like when you’re well over the $1 million mark. We live in Melbourne in the North, so we’re looking $1.5 to $2M for our next purchase and I’m wondering if you consider that a best investment or what you think about high priced properties ‘cos obviously that’s still just like a very average 3 bedroom house in the North. So I am just wondering if you don’t talk about it for any reason, or if there’s some reason you should avoid that price point.

 

Question from Steve on Selling An Investment Property for A PPOR Or Buy Cheaper

Hey Gents, absolutely love the podcasts and I’ve been a listener for many years now. I’m 30 years old with a fiancé and we have an investment property fully paid off worth about $600,000. We’re currently renting very cheaply in order to save for our principal place of residence, so we were originally looking around the Ringwood area to spend about $900,000, but due to such limited opportunities I feel, and really average properties that don’t have scope to expend, we are considering selling the investment property off and plunging pretty much all of our net worth into a property that will allow us to get us into something more like around the $1.2 or $1.3 Million mark. In saying that, we’ll still probably only need to take on a loan of about $600,000 between the two of us, which is quite achievable, however just wanting to sort of get some advice from you.

Do you think it’s worth trying to buy our dream home — something that we’re gonna be happy for a very long time — and selling off the other investment, or whether we should be holding onto the investment and obviously sacrificing our lifestyle for the short term and turn to getting into something a bit cheaper?

Really interested to hear your thoughts. I am very, very confused at the moment. Thanks guys.

 

Question from Julia on Sell or Hold An Architectural Apartment in Inner Sydney

Hi Fellas, I feel really strange talking to my computer asking a question but I love your show, really had a great time listening to it. So my situation is I am in my early 60s and I’ve been working on super and all that stuff and I own my own home, but I bought an investment property in the heart of the city of Sydney. It was actually in a designer’s building – it’s got about 51 apartments there. Anyway, COVID came and of course the tenancy situation really changed in the heart of Sydney.

So, I did have to reduce my rent from $650 for a one-bedder down to $520 a week so that was a massive drop for me, but really my question is about – over the last 5 years since I’ve owned the property it’s only gone up about $20,000 ‘cos I think I’ve paid at the top of the Market.

My question is, Should I cut my losses being in my early 60s or should I hang in there and hope for better days?

My original plan is to keep this property well into my 80s and I’m just feeling the jitters because the rent has dropped so much and the value just hasn’t increased over the last 5 years so any input would be appreciated.

 

Question from Gabby on Buying A $250,000 Property

Hi! My name is Gabby and I’m a 21-year-old from West Australia. I love your Podcast, but I feel as though I belong to a bucket that you haven’t talked about much. I’ve been boarding and renting my whole life, but wish to or have to move out of home eventually and hopefully soon especially with low interest rates. I want to buy an old unit with 2 bedrooms in a small block priced between $250,000 and $300,000 and then rent out a room to a friend.

It’ll be in the East Fremantle area hopefully, which is on the premium side of first home buyer suburbs, but it could be out of my grasp if I sit on it for too long. The problem is that I don’t actually have the money needed and my parents are happy to invest as long as it makes sense. I’m thinking that repayments could be roughly $260 a week and the room could be rented out for $120 at least a week. This basically makes almost cheaper than renting but me getting the lifestyle and the property at the end.

Do I get them to go Guarantor or use the complete trust we have with them instead taking on the loan as an investment, but me paying it off behind closed doors and essentially taking it over by the end.

 

 

Episode 341 | How To Pivot Your Investment Strategy When Affordability Changes

Folks, it’s no secret that property prices have seen a significant uptick – so what does this mean for your investment strategy if you can no longer afford to buy investment grade locations that are close to the city?

See, if you’ve read our book The Armchair Guide To Property Investing, or heard any of our earlier episodes, you might have heard us quote particular price points that now seem, well, a bit ridiculous.

You might’ve thought, “A $650,000 property in inner city Melbourne… what? They’re now over a mill, guys…?”

Or, “Where on earth can I buy a property for $450,000 in this market!?!”

 Or, “You said to aim for inner city properties with owner-occupier appeal, but now you’re talking about regional markets… what’s the deal?”

We hear you. And we get it.

That’s why today we’re doing a deep dive on how to pivot your investment strategy when affordability changes!

Make no mistake – the fundamentals DON’T change… but you need to be both smart AND realistic about the locations that are available to you, whatever your price point may be.

This is a Q&A episode you don’t want to miss – we tick off A LOT of key property investment questions that we’re confident will allow you to find success no matter what your price point is! Plus, we’ve got some new frameworks on how to navigate land tax, learn when it’s time to SELL (yep) and best practices to manage your money without dedicating your life to managing a spreadsheet….

Tune in now – and let us know what you think!

 

P.S. Yes, Ben is actually in his CAR when we’re recording this episode… find out why in the first five minutes 🤣

 

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The Questions

Question From Valarie on Tips For Money Management

I bought a course and really love I’m also through the Make Money Simple Again book. I have one question: How do you apply the Money SMARTS system to a couple? At the moment we have separate accounts, something like 12 accounts between the 2 of us. How do you change that to fit into the system? Do you go with one family account and 2 debit cards account and 2 credit cards account or is there another configuration that you recommend? Many thanks in advance for your feedback Tips and Have a Great weekend. Thank you!

 

Question from Kiran on Land Tax and Different Entities

Good day Bryce, Ben, Stiggy and the team. My name is Kiran, I’m from Melbourne. I was listening to your podcast a week or two ago and you spoke about an active, investor Bruce in this episode who had land tax issues because he was investing in the same state. All investments are in the same state. I understand the active investor issues but from what I understand, all these investments were possibly in his personal name. What if Bruce was able to invest in different entities for examples companies or trusts? Each entity would then be completely separate and hence reset the amount of land tax he had to pay. Can you unpack the issues as to whether this is a worthwhile strategy and other differences with finance? I understand that commercial finance is required for companies which results in less favourable LVRs. Are there any further issues that someone looking to invest using companies or trusts to reduce their land tax bill may encounter?

 

Question From Mathew Monty on How To Buy Assets Closer In On Combined $100k Income

Hi Guys, I love the Podcasts. I just got a couple of questions regarding investment grade/investment stock – more for people like me that don’t earn that much money. Can you buy with an income of $100,000? So I’ve got a property that’s got good equity and we went out and we bought another property for investment, probably just investment stock in Truganina. So 20-something kilometres from the city, I know it’s not investment grade like you just talked about. However, I wonder how people on say $100,000 a year in combined income could afford to get into those inner-city areas? I don’t know if that’s possible. Given our situation that we’ve bought a new investment stock property, where do we go from here?

 

Question from Dimitra on The 6-Part Framework That Reveals It’s Time To SELL!

Hi guys, Love your podcast. I listen regularly on the drive to and from work, and recently purchased your audio book which has been super informative. You always share a lot of knowledge when it comes to finding and purchasing an investment, but would love more information on what to do if you’ve bought a lemon! Most of the things you tell us to avoid applies to my investment property. The apartment was purchased off the plan in an area where supply exceeds demand and the property price hasn’t increased since it was purchased back in 2017. And to make matters worse, since Covid and the bad publicity new apartments have been getting, the property has gone down in value. There are tenants in the property currently and I have to contribute an extra $50 per week towards the mortgage (principle and interest)

The positive is that the property is in Sydney, 12km from the CBD and a 10 minute walk to public transport. This purchase obviously happened before I discovered your podcast, but what should I do?

Should I hold the property in the hope that it will eventually increase in value, or is there no other option but to sell and cop a loss?

Any advice you can give would be much appreciated. Many thanks.

 

 

 

 

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