485 | Must the Plane Have Landed BEFORE I Retire?


Is 64 too old to be starting a property portfolio?  

Must your investment property be fully funded by the time one retires?  

And why does investing with intention matter – even after you’ve acquired 5 properties?  

In today’s Q&A we’re answering these fantastic questions that explore the many layers folks should consider BEFORE they choose to enter or exit the property game.  

This episode highlights the importance of planning and intention, from calculating how much you really need (and gaining clarity around your next step) to why you shouldn’t invest in property like stepping stones. 

Plus, we have a Listener Tale (or horror story) highlighting why property management matters. Listen now! 


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Questions We Answer

Q1) How important is it that an investment property is fully funded by the time you retire? from Richard  

Hi Ben and Bryce, Richard here.

I just wanna start by thanking you both for everything that you do for the community. It’s real eye opener and it helps me to get my head in the right spaces.

I look towards everyone my house fully paid off and looking to start my 1st investment, but my question is, I’m 52 just about paying my own property out.

How important is it that an investment property is fully funded by the time you retire, or is it okay if it’s just looking after itself and can continue on for another few years, whilst your in retirement and fund itself in the background, if you can give us any help on that, that would be great.

Thank you.


Q2) Investing at 64 from Ralph 

Hi, I just wanna know if I can build a property portfolio at the age of 64. Thank you. 


Q3) Multiple IP’s already and wondering what to do next? from Matt   

Hi guys, it’s Matt here. 

I live down in Torquay, VIC. We have a number of investment properties: 2 in Queensland, 3 Victoria and we own our home. 

We own most of our investment properties. There is still a little bit of debt there. 

Basically, just looking for a financial plan or some advice as to what to do to move forward. I plan to step away from our business within the next five years and just see whether we can somehow live off the equity. 

I basically just want a plan and just maybe get you guys to have a look at our overall situation and offer some advice, and look forward to hear back from you. Bye. 


Listener Tale: The Importance of Property Management 

Hey Ben and Bryce, 

Just wanted to reach out and say Ep. 480[How to Fail to Retire on $2k per week] 

Guys! This is phe . nom . enal ! I can relate to some if not all of the “how to fail to build” points you raised here. 

My true story goes a little something like this:  

I bought my first house and land package as a PPR just before the GFC hit and after living in it for a year, rented it out because I went off traveling the world in my mid 20s for the next 8/9 years. After the real estate agency secured what I thought was a good tenant, I gave them the flick and managed the property privately. Thought it was a great idea to save a few dollars on fee’s right. Those same tenants moved out 5 years later and I had to replace all the carpets, repaint the walls and replace some fans the kids had swung off of. Needless to say, the bond certainly didn’t cover this. I kept the bond and offered the tenants to pay the rest of the bill. Obviously, I heard crickets from them so had to pay the rest out of my own pocket. I had landlords insurance but this is a worst case insurance for me and I never use it to claim small things. Its just for the “what if the house burns down”. 

You’d think I’d learn right? Wrong. I went and got another tenant, funny enough it was the family next door and they were moving out of that house because it was up for sale. I saw an opportunity to save of management fees again and 2 weeks rent the real estate would have charged for finding a new tenant. The new family moved in under a private agreement. Sweet as right? Nope.. after trying to manage this house from a yacht somewhere in the Bahamas (which I worked on btw not owned) I found out while doing my own tax return one year that they had under paid me rent. I had to send them emails and show them spread sheets from a far of how much they were behind and it was more than 5 grand. I thought enough was enough and got a property manager to helped sort them out and they did pay me what I was owed and all was fine. 

But do you know what the kicker is, well it’s not keeping up with what the rental market is doing. I.e. rents around my house had gone up and considerably, but because I was managing this house myself from a far I didn’t have the finger on the pulse. After all of this learning, let me tell you fella’s.. I have now learnt! I maintained a property manager for this house from then on. 

That lesson had taught me about property management and it’s importance. What it didn’t teach was having the right strategy in place, and so I sold that house at roughly the 10 year mark (insert palm in face emoji). 

I can whole heartly say that the net of the money I 

saved in management fee’s over the years was surely a net negative and as you can see to top it off I sold the property and paid commission to do so. I can’t bring myself to check the growth of that suburb and what the house would be worth now or event to check what it’s rental yield would be. For context I sold it in 2022. 

Final point I’ll make on this and for people who may read this, I wish I got accredited professional help because my future self would have thanked me for it. My wife and I have now got that help through Empower Wealth and we are on a path of retribution. 

I am a dedicated listener to your podcast. Keep up the great work! 

You guys are my Joe Rogen! 

Cheers Trev. 



  • 0:00 – Must the Plane Have Landed BEFORE I Retire? 
  • 1:39 – The lengths we go through, Moorr webinar & a listener message!  
  • 7:29 – Mindset Minute: Rich vs Poor Mindset 
  • 12:17 – Q1) How important is it that an investment property is fully funded by the time you retire? 
  • 14:13 – If you wait, you rob yourself of the power of…  
  • 15:47 – We need to understand THIS before we start 
  • 18:05 – What your investment property should look like in retirement  
  • 19:34 – Why property investing isn’t like stepping stones  
  • 21:29 – “Strategy has to be informed by cashflow 
  • 23:53 – Q2) Investing at 64 
  • 24:50 – Work back from your needs 
  • 27:39 – Considerations for older investors 
  • 28:13 – Why market cycle timing is important 
  • 30:13 – Access to funding & lenders  
  • 34:41 – Q3) Multiple IP’s already and wondering what to do next? 
  • 35:42 – Why intention matters!  
  • 36:42 – Should Matt live off equity?  
  • 38:46 – How to figure out what is possible 
  • 39:49 – When rates or costs of living go up, how does it affect a Living Off Equity strategy? 
  • 41:57 – This is a perfect “What if” example 
  • 44:06 – The 4 Expense Categories  
  • 45:59 – What living off equity means  
  • 46:45 – Listener Tale: The Importance of Property Management 
  • 50:42 – You either pay with money or time!  


  • 52:13 – Lifehack: With or Without Me energy  
  • 55:22 – WMPN: Moving the dial for women!  

Exit Strategy

Please Note: This episode is a re-run. The original air-date was on August 6, 2015. 😊   

“Begin with the end in mind.”
Stephen Covey  

In this week’s bonus episode, we’re rewinding the clocks and revisiting a past episode that covers a core strategy every investor should have…    

Your Exit Strategy  

From the “Buying and Holding” to the “Buying and Selling” strategy, we’re exploring the many ways an investor can leave the property market and which approach works best under certain conditions.    

Plus, tune in to hear how you can easily calculate the cost of your lifestyle (thereby how much you need to retire), understand the math behind reverse mortgages and learn: How realistic is the living off equity strategy?   

An old episode that covers an evergreen concept, tune in now folks!   


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  • 0:00 – Exit Strategy  
  • 1:58 – Where this episode came from  
  • 5:21 – Living off Equity   
  • 8:03 – “A goal without a date is just a dream”  
  • 9:57 – What fulfils you?    
  • 12:07 – How to calculate the cost of your lifestyle  
  • 14:22 – Buying & Holding   
  • 16:05 – Buying & Selling  
  • 19:40 – How realistic is living off equity?   
  • 20:18 – Reverse Mortgages   
  • 23:29 – This is Nirvana for Bryce   
  • 25:38 – Why most investors only need 3-5 investment properties    
  • 27:05 – Is Fractional Selling the Future?   


450 | Thriving After Divorce – Rebuilding Wealth & Renewing Spirit – Chat with Adam Crane

It’s that time of year again, folks! Today marks the exciting beginning of our highly anticipated 2023 Winter Series. 

Get ready for an extraordinary lineup of guests, each with their own awe-inspiring stories that revolve around this year’s captivating theme: “What Drove You To Act.” 

Drawing inspiration from those pivotal moments we see in movies, the light bulb moments and “A-ha” breakthroughs, we delve into the driving forces behind every successful investor’s property journey. 

We kickstart this incredible series with our first guest, Adam. Join us on this transformative journey as we uncover the importance of prioritizing the “big rocks” in the jar of life. We’ll flip the pages and delve into strategies for building resilience, even when confidence takes a hit. 

We navigate the complexities of finances with insights on the “sleep at night tax” and the power of compromise and sacrifice. We’ll confront the venomous obstacles that can hinder progress and emphasize the crucial role of honesty and openness. 

Prepare to wade through murky waters, armed with the tools and knowledge to come out stronger on the other side. Reflecting on our experiences takes courage, however, Adam reminds us that amidst the challenges, it’s essential to enjoy yourself and reward your efforts when times are good. 

Join us as we unlock the potential of sonic tools and discover why a poor man pays twice. And of course, we’ll sprinkle in some light-heartedness with a mention of Spaghetti Bolognese. 

Tune in now or watch the episode below



Here’s some of the gold we cover… 

  • 1:53 – Welcome to our Winter Series and our first guest Adam Crane
  • 7:50 – Living within your means
  • 8:20 – Modelled on delayed gratification
  • 10:35 – The cut-off
  • 12:40 – FOMO fed my savings
  • 16:35 – If my bank account is good, I sleep better
  • 22:00 – The paradigm shift
  • 22:45 – What to expect with unexpected life events
  • 23:00 – THE BIG ROCKS IN THE JAR!!!
  • 23:50 – Point of weakness or point of strength?
  • 24:35 – Gaining back the 1%
  • 25:30 – Resilient building
  • 27:05 – Taking a confidence hit
  • 28:40 – Harder to tap out
  • 29:45 – Sleep at night tax??
  • 30:35 – Compromise and sacrifice
  • 31:20 – Easy to say, much harder to practise
  • 31:30 – Venom that exists
  • 32:20 – Honesty and openness is key
  • 33:10 – Through murky waters!!
  • 34:10 – Takes a bigger person to look back
  • 41:00 – What a side hustle…. Sonic Tools, check it out 
  • 42:14 – Obsessed with the surplus number
  • 42:22 – A poor man pays twice….
  • 44:55 – Spaghetti Bolognese….
  • 46:50 – Why you must enjoy yourself too!!!
  • 49:00 – When times are good, you must reward yourself!
  • 54:05 – The trap you fall into
  • 58:30 – Money hacks

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449 | Secrets of Bank Foreclosures and the Debt Spiral – Chat with Laurence Hugo

In our latest episode, we had the privilege of sitting down with Laurence Hugo, a true master in the art of negotiation with over three decades of experience in the dynamic worlds of banking and debt management. Prepare to have your expectations shattered because this conversation is anything but dry folks!!! It’s a treasure trove of wisdom and practical solutions for all your financial challenges. 

With his extensive expertise, Laurence specialises in guiding both individuals and businesses through the intricate process of debt settlement. His proven track record includes helping clients secure partial or even complete debt waivers, offering them a much-needed fresh start. 

Laurence’s impact goes beyond his impressive resume. He is a true trailblazer who has revolutionised the Debt Negotiation industry. His innovative approach has transformed the way debt negotiations are carried out, ensuring that individuals and organisations can navigate the landscape of debt management with greater ease and effectiveness. 

Here are some of the key themes we unpack: 

  • Changing the approach and seeing things from a new perspective 
  • How can we triumph in the face of adversity? 
  • Assessing actions and understanding the risks 
  • How to not let financial challenges become a lifelong prison 

If you’re ready to gain invaluable insights and discover practical strategies for overcoming financial hurdles, then this episode is a must-listen. Get ready to be inspired and empowered as Laurence shares his expertise and reshapes the way you perceive the world of debt management. 

There is absolute gold in here for EVERYONE!! 

Don’t miss out on our latest Q&A episode folks!!  Tune in now or watch the episode below


Here’s some of the gold we cover… 

  • 2:12 – Mindset Minute 
  • 7:30 – Welcome to The Couch Laurence Hugo 
  • 11:20 – Learning quick about the value of money  
  • 20:45 – 2 different categories  
  • 21:45 – Different animal to banks 
  • 23:20 – Change your highlighter colours!! 
  • 24:40 – Dealing with the problem! 
  • 25:35 – How can you win? 
  • 27:20 – What am I doing? 
  • 28:22 – Risks of an upside-down mortgage 
  • 29:00 – 7 years of arrears???? 
  • 30:00 – If you are facing arrears…. What should you do  
  • 31:40 – Snail’s pace  
  • 32:05 – Communication is EVERYTHING 
  • 32:35 – Banks are made up of human beings!!! 
  • 33:50 – THE ONLY OPTION….. 
  • 35:06 – Keeping control of the process 
  • 39:40 – Overlooking key features!! 
  • 41:40 – Why use a negotiator? 
  • 42:20 – What response are they looking for? 
  • 45:40 – What are those breaches? 
  • 47:15 – Connecting the decision-makers 
  • 48:55 – Debt spiral 
  • 51:40 – Lifelong prison!!! 
  • 52:10 – No one size fits all… 
  • 54:50 – Butterflies and birds… 
  • 56:10 – What is the key time of the month? 
  • 57:00 – Such a clever tactic!! 
  • 1:00:50 – It’s too good to be true!!! 
  • 1:03:20 – Let’s go upstream!!! 
  • 1:04:00 – Good debt vs bad debt 
  • 1:07:15 – That lifeline call that helped make a difference 
  • 1:10:10 – Aiming for being HAPPY in the first place 
  • 1:10:35 – The key to happiness!! 
  • 1:10:50 – The 5 regrets of the dying!!! 
  • 1:11:25 Correlating money to values… 
  • 1:16:56 – If this has raised any concerns, please call Lifeline on 13 11 14 
  • AND…. 
  • 1:23:25 – Life Hack 
  • 1:25:50 – What’s Making Property News 

Please reach out to Laurence and his team of qualified financial experts who will handle your case with sensitivity and respect.

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Why Investors are Needed to Solve the Affordability Crisis – Bonus Episode with Matt from Aussie Firebug May ’23

In May, we had the privilege of being featured on the highly regarded Aussie Fire Bug podcast. We delved into the origins of property acquisition, discussing the humble beginnings that led us on our respective journeys. Additionally, we explored the pressing issue of the Australian housing crisis, dissecting the multifaceted implications and exploring potential solutions.  

These are the key themes we unpack: 

  • How Ben and I originally made a connection  
  • Property investing guidelines and regulations  
  • We dive deep into our investing strategy/philosophy 
  • The Australian Housing and rental crisis  
  • Active property investing vs passive share market investing  
  • Are property investors adding to affordability issues or are they being used as political scapegoats?  
  • How The Property Couch podcast got started  

We extend our gratitude to the Aussie Fire Bug podcast for providing us with a platform to share our insights and engage in meaningful discussions. We hope to continue to inspire and empower our community in pursuit of financial literacy and success.  

Don’t miss this awesome bonus episode folks!  

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