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TPC Gold | Types of Wealth – What Type of “Rich” Are You?

In today’s bonus snippet, Bryce and Ben talk all things wealth. 💰 

Do you know what type of “rich” you are?  

Discover how understanding your current financial position can help you move forward with confidence, and why true wealth is measured in time, not money.  

Listen to the full episode here: Episode 335 | The Four Types of Wealth.

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Types of Wealth & The Seven Grades of Financial Wellbeing

Now that you know a little bit more about the different types of wealth, it’s a great time to conduct a health check on your finanes.

These are the 7 Grades of Financial Wellbeing: 

  • 1 – Financial Turmoil 
  • 2 – Financial Survival 
  • 3 – Financial Consciousness 
  • 4 – Financial Stability 
  • 5 – Financial Control 
  • 6 – Financial Peace 
  • 7 – Financial Contribution 

Take the Financial Wellbeing Quiz now to work out what grade you’re in and how to move up a level!

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Transcript

Bryce Holdaway
In terms of financial wealth, we think there’s seven grades of financial wellbeing and it’s probably worth revisiting those Ben, because it’s been a little while since we covered this on an episode.  

Ben Kingsley
And it’s going to be more prevalent in the work that we do moving forward because we’ve done the fundamentals around asset selection and all those types of things, so the next part of the journey that we want to take the community on is: how do you then measure that? Because it’s going to be different for everyone – rather than putting a dollar value on it straight away, what we want to be doing is talking about just understanding where you sit in terms of your current position and how you take that forward.  

So your starting point is not financial turmoil, but that’s number one. If you’re in financial turmoil, you need to get some professional help. If you are at financial survival, it’s very clear you’ve made some judgment decisions that haven’t gone the right way, and so you’re in a bit of strife. The starting position is financial consciousness. So technically this is our benchmark. This is base camp where we start and then we want to try and move up the ladder and we get to financial stability. That’s really important. So all of a sudden we’re now starting to say righty-o, got a bit of a sense of what’s going on here, still more to learn. And then we move into financial control. And this is the big piece that we’ve been talking about on our podcast a lot is feeling on top of it all without necessarily spending too much time on it is our goal. That’s what MoneySMARTS is all about. 10 minutes a month, but just feeling like you’ve got that money control and now starting to lift your eyes to get into that investment space and making that money work harder for you. And then as you do that, you move towards financial peace.  

Now, what I love about these seven grades is that’s what we do every day. That’s our purpose in terms of why we get up and what we do in our business is move people into financial peace. Hopefully not from financial turmoil. Hopefully we’re getting them from financial consciousness or financial control, and then basically moving through that. And there (are) a lot of moving parts there but what today’s lesson about is we’re talking more mindset today than ever before in terms of the technical stuff that we talk about. But the one I really love and I’m glad we added it is because we do measure the progress of the clients that we’re helping towards financial peace. But when someone gets to a fairly significant position, we’re obviously in a great position to also have financial contribution. And from my point of view, that’s where you pay it forward. So if you’re in a blessed position where you can then set up a trust fund – maybe for the generation of children that are going to come through for education purposes, because education is everything. Or you can contribute to a cause or a purpose that you really have passion about.  

Bryce Holdaway
(Something) bigger than you.  

Ben Kingsley
It’s bigger than you and that doesn’t matter, that doesn’t have to be financial either, that could just be time because what financial peace gives you, the greatest thing it gives you is time and the choice of what you do with your time. So I think that’s important if you haven’t listened to a deep dive of that episode, it’s (episode) 275 that we did last March. I encourage you to do that. We also on the socials, I think on Instagram we have a nice little storybook around that and we have a downloadable on that as well. So I think there is something to do. So we’ll make sure that those are in the show notes. But that’s the scene setter for what we’re talking about.  

Bryce Holdaway
So let’s go through that again Ben, just to get that to land. So grade one was financial turmoil. Grade two was financial survival. Grade three was financial consciousness. Grade four was financial stability. Grade five was financial control. Grade six was financial peace and grade seven was financial contribution.  

Ben Kingsley
And we have some amazing things that we’re working on that are going to really bring this to life, hopefully at the second half of the year. So when I get back from my break, we’re going to be really focusing in on that. And we’ve got some exciting things to be sharing with the community in the second half of this year. So I can’t wait for that. That gets me out of bed every day.  

Bryce Holdaway
What I like about that too Ben is it shows us the first six are really a journey of the individual or of the family unit. And then grade seven becomes instead of just being about you and your family units, about how can you impact others and make a contribution? And obvious examples are Bill Gates and Warren Buffett who are benevolent.  

Ben Kingsley
Yeah, the Atlassian boys. You look at Mike Cannon-Brookes, he spent, you know, about over a billion dollars on renewable energy. He’s thinking there’s an amazing opportunity here for Australia for that. So we love stories like that. And again, that’s the stories that you see in the main press. But I mean, I don’t know whether you caught the Twinnies episode, the Australian story on the Twinnies. So there’s these girls in there. I suspect they’re probably in their 40s, maybe early 50s. They do damaged and injured bird life.  

And so they live in Queensland, and them and their mum and their dad basically put all of their money into looking after and recuperating these birds and then sending them back out into the wild. Now, talk about purpose, talk about contribution, talk about all of those things, right? It’s a charitable thing. So Jane and I watched that the other night and we were like, I’m so glad we watched that. That was such a cool little episode to see these people who are doing this type of work.  

So that’s also what we’re talking about. If you’re in a fortunate position or even (if) you say to yourself from a financial position, you’re not fortunate, but you want to dedicate your life to serve. That couple of ladies, a fascinating study on twins, but also a fascinating study on what they’re doing in terms of their contribution.  

Bryce Holdaway
Well sounds like that might be the balance. I don’t know if you’ve watched on Netflix Seaspiracy yet.  

Ben Kingsley
No I haven’t seen that one yet.  

Bryce Holdaway
For anyone who’s listening to this, I felt flat, significantly after that and it’s changed the way I (think) even if it’s 50% true.  

Ben Kingsley
So what is it (about)? Give us a little backstory on it. 

Bryce Holdaway
It’s talking about how the fishing industry is overfishing the ocean and the impacts of that, and the lengths that we’ll go to and how it’s not being talked about. So it sounds like you need to have that one for a bit of a balance. But a couple of things in financial wealth for this particular type, I mean, we’ve talked about it for six years. So we’re not going to do anything groundbreaking today that we haven’t talked about before, other than just a few key concepts around: it’s about passive income over active income. So everything we’re talking about to get to grade six, which is that financial peace is where, you get more passive income coming into your wheelhouse than your expenses. So then you are in a place where you can get type three back, which we’ll talk about shortly. And also just the concept that wealth is measured in time and rich is measured in money.  

Ben Kingsley
I love that, say that again.  

Bryce Holdaway
Yeah, the difference is really important because wealth is measured in time, whereas rich is measured in money. It kind of goes to the fact that rich is kind of a four-letter word on this podcast because it sounds dirty. In our industry it’s full of spruiker talk. But we’ve always talked about having meaningful wealth around being able to sustain a lifestyle that gives you the opportunity to do the things that you actually want to do.  

Ben Kingsley
There’s no race to the top. You know, we’ve talked about that before in terms of the richest person in the world. What do they really got? You know, how important is that? And will they ever stay there? And when you get there, so what? I think for some of those people, if they serve well and they’re successful in serving others, all power to them, right? Very empowering when you’re making a true contribution, and you’re rewarded for that contribution. But in terms of the whole idea of being mega wealthy or being in the billion-dollar club and all of that, it does lessen my respect or view of some of those people if that’s what they’re chasing, right? If that’s their motivation, (if) it’s purely around how wealthy they can be.  

Bryce Holdaway
Type number three is my favourite. It’s time wealth. And the reason it’s my favourite is because I get to spend more time with them.  

Ben Kingsley
Hope you liked that short TPC Gold, folks. And if you’re looking for the free download or the quiz, check out www.thepropertycouch.com.au/quiz-financial-wellbeing. The link is also in the show notes, so just swipe up on your podcast platform and check it out. Have a play around with the quiz and we hope you’ll be at the stage that you aspire to be. But until next week, knowledge is empowering, but only if you act on it. 

507 | “I Won’t Have Enough to Live Comfortably”: The 3 Greatest Generational Fears of All Time! – Chat with Mark McCrindle

What should property investors focus on as we prepare for Australia’s next population growth wave?  

Class division: We rarely think about it in Australia, but could it become our reality as the gap to enter the property market continues to widen? 

To help us unpack this and more, we’re welcoming back Mark McCrindle (who last appeared on the podcast in Ep 185), the social analyst and demographer expert who coined the newest demographic: Generation Alpha!  

Mark’s passion in life is tracking social trends across Australia and communicating these groundbreaking insights and generational analyses.

As a sought-after commentator and advisor to executive boards and committees across Australia, he is also the author of five books and the founder of McCrindle, a company that provides demographic data for pretty much any field!  

Today, we have the privilege of picking his brains on:  

  • How decoding generational trends is the hidden KEY to helping individuals make informed and strategic choices with their money and finances.  
  • The three greatest fears and aspirations each generation faces. 
  • Financial Stress: It’s one of the greatest causes of mental health issues and relationship breakdowns. So, how is it spread across different demographics?  

If you want to start making more strategic financial and investing decisions, tune in now!  

 

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  • PICA’s 2024 Annual Investor Sentiment Survey: Final week to have your say! 
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Timestamps

  • 0:00 – “I Won’t Have Enough to Live Comfortably”: The 3 Greatest Generational Fears of All Time!  
  • 1:25 – From data to decisions, final weeks to complete the PICA survey and…Ben’s all for Freo?!  
  • 5:24 – We want to hear from you! Our 2025 Summer Series is fast approaching… 
  • 6:10 – Mindset Minute: “Your life is NOT margaritas on a beach in Jamaica”  
  • 9:15 – Welcome Mark!  
  • 10:14 – How can understanding generational trends help individuals make more strategic choices about their money and finances? 
  • 11:55 – Money Story: “There wasn’t any sit-down money.”  
  • 17:00 – Why learning in life is the key for Mark 
  • 18:41 – Record population growth: How long till Australia reaches 26M?  
  • 20:16 – Why Australia needs a managed migration program  
  • 21:53 – Where is the “sweet spot” for growing the economy?  
  • 24:18 – Melbourne’s population to overtake Sydney  
  • 26:21 – The Groundwork: Defining generation’s financial characteristics since 1945 
  • 30:37 – Why the Baby Boomers aren’t the “lucky generation” they’re pegged to be  
  • 35:21 – What matters MOST to each generation?  
  • 37:37 – “They’ve seen that the pension is not going to be universal”: Why has value in financial independence skyrocketed?  
  • 38:41 – Why has the nest egg historically been significant?  
  • 40:51– As debt builds, is the Great Australian Dream dying?  
  • 46:47 – The Three Greatest Fears of All Time – by generation  
  • 50:21 – Wealth vs. Income: “They can exchange that time for money at a higher rate than we’ve ever seen.”  
  • 54:29 – Workforce changes & financial literacy: Will AI help or hinder job opportunities for younger generations?  
  • 57:21 – The tipping point & where will Australia grow to?  
  • 1:00:44 – “At entry level, policy is not working”  
  • 1:02:53 – Why Australia is truly the lucky country  

And… 

  • 1:08:30 – What a fantastic guest!  
  • 1:12:25 – From iconic social markers to music players by generation    
  • 1:14:02 – Lifehack: Got a long car ride with the kids? Try this…  
  • 1:15:00 – WMPN: 67% of people with clearly defined saving goals feel more confident about their well-being in retirement. 

 

490 | Why Is the Sandwich Generation Trapped in Wealth Limbo?

 

The Sandwich Generation is stuck in a wealth limbo where “it seems impossible to get past 1 to 2 properties”, says TPC listener MC. But who are this group of investors, and why are they finding themselves in this property purgatory? 💸 

In today’s episode, we explore how to get creative to escape wealth limbo, the #1 thing you shouldn’t do for those going through a breakup and pose the question… 

Would you stop paying 10c at the risk of not earning $1?  

This question paints the tip of the iceberg for today’s discussion into a battle that looks increasingly akin to David and Goliath as the government continues to stop $3B worth of incentives for property investors… 

The truth is in the pudding (or, more specifically, the Australian Taxation Office’s data): for the first time in recorded history, rental stock is declining 

It’s an alarming and insightful episode that will open your eyes to the many hurdles property investors must overcome.  

Give it a listen now, folks 😊  

 

P.S. Were you in wealth limbo or are you part of the Sandwich Generation? Send us a message on our SpeakPipe; we want to know you overcome these issues!  

 

Free Stuff Mentioned

  • 2024 TPC Survey Now Open!
    Let us know what we should start, stop and keep doing and as our thanks to you, we’ll give you a Case Study Series Unpacked for FREE (usually $297). Plus, the top #5 most insightful answers will win a $100 gift card. Share your thoughts now >>   
  • Free Book: Make Money Simple Again  
  • Free Money Management Platform: Moorr 
  • Are you part of the Sandwich Generation? We want you to be part of our 2025 Summer Series! Reach out to Bryce on Instagram or through our SpeakPipe  (And get a free Start & Build course if you make an appearance!)  
  • The first time in recorded Australian History: Rental stock is going backwards and the latest ATO data. Watch this Episode on YouTube to see these insightful graphs >>  
  • Bryce’s Lifehack: iPhone stickers can help you plan your outfit! >>  
  • Ben’s “What’s Making Property News”: Read Domain’s March 2024 Rental Report >>  
  • Guests & Episodes Mentioned:  
    • 376 | It’s never too late to start: How he’s on track for a $2k/week passive income! – Chat with Steve  
    • 382 | “Property Investors are Tired of Being the ATMs for the State!” – Chat with Antonia Mercorella  
    • 401 | How Old is Too Old?! Refinancing, Retiring Debt & Starting Later in Life 
    • 454 | How to Create a $5.54M Portfolio in Your 50s – Chat with Tom Dekker 
    • 473 | Juggling Teenagers, Divorce, and 4 Properties: How This Single Mum Conquered Her Financial Pain – Chat with Leisa 

 

Comments & Questions

Listener Comment from Tom: 

Hi Ben and Bryce,

Loving the content after listening for more than 3 years.

There is currently a lot of noise in the media and social platforms about how us greedy investors are pushing up house prices and rents as well as rolling in wealth as a result of the negative gearing and capital gains tax rules which I believe need to be clarified for everyday Aussies and certainly for the politicians who are using this agenda for their own political benefit.

As a property investor, I have and will continue to work as diligently as possible to pay tax on my rental properties every year. Yes this is my goal!

For the past 3 years, I have had the privilege of paying tax on income received from my rental properties although this may change in the coming year as a result of interest rates and increased costs to hold the properties.

Negative Gearing is a safety net for the investor which supports reducing the “loss” it does not create a windfall at all and simply means that if for example I made a loss of $10,000 on rental properties in a year and I am on the top marginal tax rate, my loss is reduced by up to $4,700.

I am still making a loss whilst providing accommodation so I am a little confused by the politicians assumption that we buy property just so that we can claim back some tax and lose money. Makes little sense and it is my view that removal of this safety net will simply increase the cost of rents.

Capital gains tax discount which was brought in to replace indexing and based on my research, the impact (difference between before and after capital gains tax discount) is actually in favour of going back to the indexing model where investors made slightly more.

I am proud to be a property investor providing good, safe and as affordable as possible accommodation for my tenants and whilst I accept that I cannot always make money on the rents collected, I am ultimately doing this to support myself and my family in retirement where I will most likely continue to pay tax on rental income happily until my final breath.

Seems to me that the politicians want me to reconsider and live off the government in my retirement rather than contribute!

The record needs to be set straight on the greens agenda. The Greens were for the environment when it was top of the social media charts but now suddenly they are the anti-investors party because this has a higher profile.

We as a group of investors need to create a voice that helps inform all people of the facts rather than the political BS!  I would pay to watch or listen to you guys interviewing one of these politicians!

Perhaps by putting everyone straight, we can get the focus back on to the priority which is increasing supply and improving vacancy rates rather than pointing fingers.

Keep up the great work gents!

Tom

 

Question on Sandwich Generation of Women from MC:

I’m keen to hear from single women (and men) who didn’t start investing till their 40s. There are so many of us! It’s a real feature of my generation.

A lot of the single women you’ve had on your program started their investment journey before 2017, so were able to buy multiple properties with equity and before the serviceability constraints came in.

If you’re a single female on a middle income today, don’t have parental assistance or any kind of inherited wealth, and you start investing a bit later, it seems impossible to get past 1 to 2 properties.

I’m keen to hear others who might have done that in today’s environment, especially how they’ve met and creatively dealt with serviceability challenges.

For what it’s worth, I think there’s a large, sandwich generation of women who never married, but whose parents never bothered to educate them about property because they just assumed it was a ladder they’d start climbing once they got married and had children.

But that hasn’t happened, so they’re in a kind of wealth limbo. I know so many people in this situation! I’m also just keen to hear more from people who started their investment journey late – age 40+ – in general and to hear what they’ve been able to achieve.

Cheers and thanks for your terrific program!

 

Timestamps

  • 0:00 – Why Is the Sandwich Generation Trapped in Wealth Limbo? 
  • 1:35 – Tell us what you want to hear! >>  
  • 4:27 – Mindset Minute: How to Stop the Toxic Cycle of Overthinking  
  • 9:27 – Previous Summer Series Guest: Negative Gearing is Still Loss Making  
  • 13:57 – Property just isn’t stacking up anymore for the investor… 
  • 18:27 – A Letter to the QLD Parliament from A Property Investor 
  • 22:01 – The first time in recorded Australian history: Rental stock is going backwards?!  
  • 26:09 – It’s David vs. Goliath: Giving the investor a voice  
  • 32:13 – Would you stop paying 10c at the risk of not earning $1?  
  • 38:31 – If you stop the $3B incentives, you have to accept the unintended consequences…  
  • 43:40 – Q1) Sandwich Generation of Women from MC   
  • 46:14 – You need 2 essential things to invest in property  
  • 48:55 – “Don’t think about investments, think about stabilisation”  
  • 51:00 – Why Bryce likes listening to success stories  
  • 53:57 – Get creative to get out of the wealth limbo 
  • 57:09 – Going through a breakup? Don’t do THIS  
  • 1:02:19 – Encore Comment: “You’ll be given a generous referral fee of $10,000 plus GST for each successful referral.” 🙄 
  • 1:06:48 – Behind-the-scenes of how the referral game works   

And… 

  • 1:11:18 – Lifehack: iPhone stickers can help you plan your outfit   
  • 1:13:55 – WMPN: Quarterly Rents: We predict VIC will be top soon…

 

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