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524 | Saving More WITH a Mortgage: Proof That It’s Possible to Go from Living Paycheck to Paycheck to Investing in Property – Chat with Clinton

 “We weren’t criminals by any means, but that’s just how it was.” – Clinton 

Growing up, today’s inspiring Summer Series guest, Clinton, faced such strong feelings of embarrassment and a reality with little to no money.   

His family couldn’t afford car registration — and the fear of fines led them to “duck their heads and pretend we were in an empty car.”  

That lasting feeling of shame, a five-figure bank receipt, and a memorable Christmas present became the catalysts that set Clinton on his journey to financial freedom. 


In this special episode, you’ll hear: 

✅ Learning as you go: Clinton’s journey from first jobs to first apprenticeship 

✅ The life-changing personal loan that changed his perspective on debt 

✅ Dodging spruikers: How Clinton self-educated and built his property knowledge 

✅ Breaking into the Cairns property market: How Clinton and his partner, Alana, took this competitive leap 

✅ Saving more WITH a mortgage: The strategy that’s helping them save for their next investment and stay focused on their financial North Star 

For a motivational story about the power of self-determination, the importance of mentors, and how one small town can change your life, tune in now! 


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Timestamps  

  • 0:00 – Saving More WITH a Mortgage: Proof That It’s Possible to Go from Living Paycheck to Paycheck to Investing in Property – Chat with Clinton 
  • 1:31 – Welcome Clinton!  
  • 2:26 – Money Story: “We weren’t criminals by any means but that’s just how it was.” 
  • 6:48 – Here’s to Clinton’s supermum!  
  • 10:36 – How washing cars and a five-figure receipt taught him that hard work pays off  
  • 15:33 Weipa: The town that changed his life  
  • 17:36 – Who influenced him to invest?  
  • 21:26 – First jobs to first loans: The credit card debt he was grateful for  
  • 26:02 – How Alana helped straighten him out 😉  
  • 27:15 – Escaping spruikers and how he educated himself!  
  • 31:02 – Do THIS investigative work to avoid being spruiked 
  • 33:59 – A job hurdle for lending  
  • 35:10 – How they secured the first property in Cairns  
  • 36:23 – Working 1 week a month?! How Clinton plans to use his financial freedom 
  • 40:53 – How he’s saving more money WITH a mortgage 😮  
  • 44:08 – Why Clinton came on the couch: “It’s amazing what you can achieve when you put your mind to it.”  
  • 48:10 – How he’s smelling the roses while still having delayed gratification  
  • 51:04 – Thank you Clinton!  
  • 53:50 – New book incoming! 

 

511 | Transform Your Backyard into Profit: A Simple Solution to the Housing Shortage – Chat with Peter Kelly

With property prices continuing to rise and the dream of home ownership drifting further away for many, today’s guest has a ground-breaking solution that could be the antidote for these growing issues… 

Please welcome Peter Kelly, Co-founder and CEO of Little Fish Development, project management specialists in property development!

He also hosts the Little Fish podcast, which shares inspiring stories about human strength and knowledge.   

With more than a decade of experience, his novel solution is:  

Dual Occupancy.  

So, what is this innovative solution, and what are the financial and legal requirements needed to make this dream a reality?     

We cover all of this and more in this week’s episode! Tune in now 😊   

 

Free Stuff Mentioned…

  • FREE WEBINAR: Unpacking the 2024 PIPA Survey – Insights and Implications for our Industry
    12:30 – 1:30 pm AEST, Thursday 19 September 2024   
    Ben is sitting down with Nicola McDougall, Chair of The Property Investment Professionals of Australia (PIPA), to unpack the surprising findings from its 2024 Sentiment Survey. Register now >>  
  • 2025 Summer Series is almost here, and we need YOU!
    Let’s make money talk the norm. Hop on the couch, share your journey to financial freedom, and help inspire others along the way. Got a story? Send it our way now >> 

 

Timestamps

  • 0:00 – Transform Your Backyard into Profit: A Simple Solution to the Housing Shortage – Chat with Peter Kelly 
  • 1:49 – Free PIPA webinar & 2025 Summer Series  
  • 3:33 – Mindset Minute: Reaping belongs to the Planters!! 
  • 6:46 – Welcome, Peter Kelly!  
  • 7:36 – Why champion dual occupancy?  
  • 8:54 – Money Story: “We lived by the sword and died by the sword.” 
  • 11:45 – The family move that transformed his life   
  • 14:05 – How Pete hit the ground running with his first job  
  • 16:47 – Baptism by Fire: From the tools to real estate  
  • 21:05 – The path to property development  
  • 24:04 – How he and his wife bought their nest egg  
  • 26:12 – Defining dual occupancy and its benefits  
  • 29:07 – What you should consider before investing in dual occupancy  
  • 31:34 – TREND ALERT: Owner occupiers and investors 
  • 33:54 – First 3 steps before foraying into dual occupancy 
  • 36:39 – The Resource of Mum and Dad: Could benefit aging parents?  
  • 38:41 – Let’s talk Legalities: Preventing things from going south 
  • 40:56 – A Common Tax Strategy: Avoiding stamp duty while getting into a better suburb!  
  • 44:52 – The Key to Mastering Site Selection 
  • 48:22 – Who does Dual Occupancy suit?  
  • 52:00 – There is no substitute for this…  
  • 56:38 – Fairfield Case Study: Can you turn your backyard into a profit?  

And… 

  • 1:09:50 – Wow, what a fantastic guest. Thank you, Pete!  
  • 1:11:44 – Lifehack: Listening to respond vs. Listening to understand  
  • 1:13:43 – WMPN: VIC’s 7.5% levy introduced & NSW recoups $9M from first home buyers who “gamed the system.” 

 

510 | From Dairy Farmer’s Daughter to Real Estate Empire! – Chat with Megan Rovers

What happens when you combine a passion for property, a background in law and a trailblazing drive to create a one-of-a-kind property experience in Australia’s fastest-growing corridors?  🏠📈⚖️  

The answer is Armstrong Real Estate!  

Folks, in this episode of The Property Couch, we sit down with Megan Rovers, co-founder of Armstrong Real Estate, who has built this real estate empire from the ground up since 2012.  

Tune in to hear:   

  • The business values and personal finance lessons she learned growing up as the daughter of a dairy farmer   
  • How she finished her law degree and built a flourishing business in Victoria’s largest continuous growth corridor  
  • Her unique property investing journey that has seen her flip five houses   
  • Why Geelong is where you want to invest next and so much more!   

Hear from an inspirational figure in the property industry who never saw the industry’s male-dominated “boys club” as a challenge. Listen now folks!   

 

Free Stuff Mentioned…

  • Free Property Report!  
    Our 39-page property report provides unique data into each suburb’s long-term growth, market cycle timing, and more to help you make the best decision. The best part? For our TPC community, it’s FREE. Download your free report now >>  
  • Join The Property Couch team!
    We’re on the hunt for a Marketing Content Coordinator! If you are a creative whizz in producing top-notch content (video, audio, graphics, you name it!) and want to hang out with us on the couch weekly, send us your resume!  
  • We love to educate folks!
    We’re not just passionate about providing free education on the couch; we love to help folks everywhere! If you have an event coming up and would like us to share our knowledge with your audience, contact us today!  
  • 2025 Summer Series shoutout!  
    Help us to normalise money conversations! Come on the couch, share your financial freedom journey, and help us inspire others. Send us your story now >>  

 

Timestamps

  • 0:00 – From Dairy Farmer’s Daughter to Real Estate Empire! – Chat with Megan Rovers 
  • 1:25 – Join The Property Couch team, 2025 Summer Series shoutout and Free Report Alert!  
  • 6:08 – Mindset Minute: The 2 differences between people who make their dreams come true and those who don’t. 
  • 7:55 – Welcome Megan Rovers!  
  • 8:46 – How did she create an incredible real estate empire from a background in law?  
  • 9:46 – Money Story: “If it was raining, we knew we could go on a holiday”  
  • 12:18 – What was it like growing up in a dairy farmer family?  
  • 15:24 – How did those business lessons shape her personal finances?  
  • 19:35 – The leap from law to loving real estate  
  • 22:15 – First experiences with Armstrong Creek: Buying with only 140 houses in the area?! 
  • 24:46 – The pivot from established to green field subdivisions  
  • 27:31 – From first jobs selling Off the Plan to building a real estate empire  
  • 31:48 – With no experience in real estate, how did Armstrong Real Estate flourish?  
  • 34:19 – Finishing her law degree while building an empire  
  • 39:22 – Juggling multiple hats: How did Megan navigate tough times?  
  • 41:51 – Breaking into the Boys Club: “I’ve never looked at it as a problem.”  
  • 45:15 – Building clients for life and a holistic service  
  • 49:29 – Megan’s “non-traditional” property journey: 5 houses to reach her dream home!? 
  • 54:23 – The buying demographic in Armstrong Creek  
  • 56:07 – Are interest rates impacting investors in this area?  
  • 58:44 – Why should people invest in Geelong?   

And… 

  • 1:02:36 – Thank you Megan! What a resilient and remarkable guest  
  • 1:05:14 – Lifehack: How to avoid pesky ads!   
  • 1:08:18 – WMPN: Corelogic’s September Hedonic Home Value Index 

498 | Chris Kohler: The Rise of the Cashless Society, Crypto & The Surprising Truth About Home Buying

 

In today’s episode, we sit down with Chris Kohler, 9News’ business, finance, and property reporter! 🎙️📈  Chris covers the macroeconomic forces shaping Australia’s markets daily and has garnered a growing audience of 43K followers on TikTok, where he combines humour with financial education.    

In this episode, we delve into Chris’ personal story—from growing up with Alan Kohler to buying his first shares and the investing lessons he learned along the way. 

  We also discuss: 

  • How he carved his own path in financial journalism ✍️ 
  • His thoughts on the rise of the cashless society 💳 
  • His experiences searching for a family home in a hot market like Victoria 🏠 

This episode offers valuable market insights from one of the sharpest minds in finance, business, and property. Tune in now! 

 

Free Stuff Mentioned

  • We need your help in “What’s Making Property News”!
    Here‘s what you can do to help property investors:

    • NSW’s No-Grounds Evictions:  
      • Action 1 – Complete the consumer survey against the No Grounds Termination of Residential Tenancy Agreements 
      • Action 2 – Complete PICA’s Survey on why would you evict a tenant 
    • Victoria’s changes to minimum standards:  

 

Timestamps

  • 0:00 – Chris Kohler: The Rise of the Cashless Society, Crypto & The Surprising Truth About Home Buying 
  • 1:17 – PICA webinar: An Introduction to Wealth Creation 
  • 3:08 – Mindset Minute: It’s ALL risky!  
  • 5:17 – Welcome, Chris Kohler!  
  • 6:16 – #1 most surprising thing Chris has learned about Aussies and their properties  
  • 10:28 – The impact of this year’s spending budget 
  • 11:54 – Money Story: Growing up with Alan Kohler 
  • 14:27 – First jobs & investments   
  • 18:27 – The rise of a cashless society 
  • 19:45 – “It was one step in front of the other”: Pursuing the same career as his dad  
  • 24:07 – Why you should look at the ASX!  
  • 28:03 – Your Domain & Chris’ property portfolio   
  • 30:44 – Investing philosophies around cryptocurrency 
  • 33:56 – Life dictates property: Navigating owner occupier appeal and timing markets 
  • 39:27 – Chris’ investing advice:“Get it out of your head” 
  • 43:56 – The best economy for growing competition 
  • 45:57 – Unpacking the growth of his social media presence 
  • 48:17 – What investors should be thinking about when seeking financial advice!  

And… 

 

496 | Don’t Sell the Goose That Lays the Golden Egg

 

In Episode 496, we’re back with a jam-packed Q&A Day!

Discover everything you need to know before investing in Victoria, from understanding the state’s “blowout budgets” to navigating the biggest risks that make buying in Melbourne a “2030 conversation.”

We also break down why the buy-and-hold strategy still works, even for single investors with lower incomes. (After all, would you sell the goose that lays the golden egg?)

Plus, learn why housing shouldn’t be linked to income and hear real data from a listener on his journey to a $1M passive income.

Tune in now for a jam-packed episode! 🚀 🚀

 

Free Stuff Mentioned

 

 

Questions We Answer:

Q1) Advice on Purchasing in Victora from Georgia  

Hi Ben and Bryce, my name is Georgia.

I want to say thanks very much for your work on the podcast. I really enjoy listening to it and find a very educational.

My husband and I currently live on the Gold Coast. We have been living in our principal place of residence, which is a house we bought about a year and ½ ago.

We also own an investment property on the Gold Coast, which we bought in 2018 and it was originally our principal place of residence but since we moved to our house, we now have that as an investment property.

We had really good returns from both properties over the last few years so we’re looking at releasing some equity from investment unit and then purchasing another property potentially in Melbourne.

Seems like Melbourne properties are in high demand at the moment. I’ve heard your advice on buying in Melbourne or Sydney if you possibly can so I think it would be along a good long-term investment and potential growth would be positive.

Possibly looking at the western suburbs because I say I’m a bit more affordable and I think that’ll be a popular area going forward. I know Victoria’s had some changes to tenancy laws so I was wondering what we should be aware of if we’re thinking of purchasing in Victoria?

I know there’s a lot of extra costs and compliance requirements so what would be your advice and recommendations of things to be aware of if we were looking at purchasing the property in Victoria for investment purposes?

Thanks again for your work. Keep doing what you’re doing.

Q2) Selling Options from Justin

Maybe start to talk more about the option of selling. Your podcast seems to advocate for a buy & hold, retire debt strategy.

Every podcast talks about buying a property, then cash out equity when the property grows in value to go again; however, this is not always achievable when someone has reached their serviceability cap.

As such, I think the option of selling to access equity to redeploy into another investment should also be talked about as a valid option to grow wealth.

You always mention that most investor stop at one or two investment properties, but I think this is more due to restricted lending to an individual more so than ones’ willingness to achieve more.

As a general lay person, I know enough to be dangerous but I can’t see how someone on a median income of 67k that own their own PPOR with half a mil to a mil mortgage would be able to service enough debt to afford more than 1 or 2 investment properties.

Q3) Buying a property to Assist in Purchasing Dream Home from Ruva

Hey Ben and Bryce love the podcast. You guys rock. My question is around rent-vesting. Apologies if this is already been answered or rather basic, but I’m struggling to connect the dots and understand the end game of this strategy in real terms.

How can buying a property or properties at lower value points and in areas of lower demand in bulk assist purchasing your dream home outright mortgage free and a blue chip suburb in 10 to 15 years time as I hear a lot on Youtube.

If values continue to rise across the country with a ripple effect from major centres outwards, won’t blue chip location simply remain at a map much higher value to those cheap and cheerful investments in mount random? May you please outline how this works in practice?

Are rent-vestors assuming that investing elsewhere will outperform their dream locations to then a mass enough equity to buy a dream home outright in the future? What does this actually look like?

Thank you so much.You guys are amazing. Love the podcast. We tune in and you bring so much value to the community. We appreciate it. Thank you

Listener Comment: Real life data you may find useful from Dean

Hi guys, I am 43 and have been investing in property for over 20 years now, my strategy has been to buy & hold, some of the properties I have owned have been cosmetically renovated and others structurally renovated over the years, my properties are located in Melb, Sydney, Brisbane & a couple in USA.

I currently own 12 properties. I work full time in a banking role and recently have other business interests outside of property.

I have run my property investment portfolio as a business over this time, and on a monthly basis i maintain a spreadsheet where I update my assets, liabilities & cash flow position.

The data is a real life example of the buy & hold strategy and could be of interest to you & your listeners.

Basically it shows the slow burn of building the first million net (17 years), however then jumps rapidly as the exposure to the market grows and the property market does the heavy lifting; $1m – $2m (10 months), $2m – $3m (27 months), $3m – $4m (38 months), $4m – $5m (9 months).

I’m not looking to be interviewed or my full name used, however thought this data might be useful as a real-life example of what you consistently talk to.

Regards,
Dean

 

Timestamps

  • 0:00 – Don’t Sell the Goose That Lays the Golden Egg 
  • 1:29 – Collingwood’s cooked it? 😉  
  • 3:57 – PICA Webinar Replay! 
  • 5:05 – Mindset Minute: “If you don’t change the direction you’re going, you’ll wind up where you’re headed!” 
  • 5:49 Q1) Advice on Purchasing in Victora from Georgia   
  • 8:02 – What to know before you invest in VIC  
  • 9:20 – The Greatest Risks to Investors  
  • 11:10 – Why does Melbourne look better in the long-term?  
  • 15:33 – Why buying in Victoria should be a “2030 conversation”  
  • 16:40 – Record level of debts & blow out budgets 
  • 19:28 – Will incentives for investors come back? 
  • 21:19 – Q2) Selling Options from Justin   
  • 22:37 – Folks, 60-80% return in months is NOT the norm!  
  • 28:30 – The BIG shift from passive to active investing  
  • 30:13 – “What if I don’t have 30 years left to invest?”  
  • 32:47 – Why sell the goose that lays the golden egg?  
  • 33:50 – You don’t have to be debt-free at retirement. Here’s why. 
  • 39:14 – Q3) Buying a property to Assist in Purchasing Dream Home from Ruva   
  • 40:51 – Why housing shouldn’t be linked to incomes 
  • 43:19 – What is modern Rentvesting?  
  • 45:02 – This is when property becomes a game of probability  
  • 46:26 – Blue Chip suburbs & long-term commitments  
  • 51:56 – Listener Comment: Real-life data from Dean   

And… 

  • 55:41 – Lifehack: Apple name drop in a flash ⚡ 
  • 56:58 – WMPN: 144 days for building approvals?!  
  • 59:47 – We’ve got an amazing guest incoming… 

 

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