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520 | Should You Take Property Advice from a Financial Planner?

Folks, Episode 520 is not just another massive Q&A Day on the couch, but today’s episode has us responding to the rawest feedback we’ve EVER received. 🤯 

Plus, you’ve heard our about property investing journeys. But what about today’s true story from Trevor, who backs up everything we said about failing to retire on $2K per week?!  

You’ll have to tune in to find out how he gets out of this sticky situation. 


In this episode, you’ll hear:

  • Why TPC listener Gabriel opposes calling property investors “small business owners” 📈 
  • Capital Gains Tax: Has the AFR proven us wrong? 🤔 
  • Should you take property advice from a financial planner? 🏡 
  • How do birthdays and curing blindness overlap? Tune in at 19:45 to find out. 👁️  

It’s a ripper episode folks. Give it a listen now!  


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Questions We Answer

Q1) Feedback on Episode 515 – Negative Gearing from Gabriel  

Hello, 

Firstly thanks so much for all the work you are doing for giving an alternative to some of the media rhetoric on this topic.  Can I offer a couple of points as constructive feedback after listening to the episode.  

While it provided a lot of good points to consider, I think there is an opportunity to rethink a couple.  

Firstly on the history of capital gains tax, while you said that it replaced existing arrangements, you failed to mention the important point that it is more generous that its predecessor and that there is scope for scaling it back. The AFR in their Fin podcast mentioned that CGT was worth $25B a year vs $2B for negative gearing. It was meant to encourage investment in businesses and instead turbo charged property.  

Secondly I find you calling property investors small business owners irritating, and if this is a sentiment shared by many others I wonder if it could be detrimental to the cause of changing the public opinion of ‘greedy investors’.  

While I own an investment property myself, I would never introduce myself as a ‘small business owner’ based on that. I own an asset that serves a great social purpose of housing Australians, but this is not a business where I create something new out of time, creativity and resources.  

The asset is already there, built by an actual business. It’s managed by another business – a property management agency and it’s maintained by other businesses like tradies.  

I don’t have an ABN and don’t need one. If I owned shares which ultimately give capital to listed businesses so they can invest and grow the economy, would I call myself a small business owner? 

Love your work (still!) 

Regards,
Gabriel 

 

Q2) Role of financial advisor in property investing from Helal 

Hi, I hope you are doing well.  

I have a question about the role of a financial advisor and the services that you provide. From what I understood from listening to the podcast is that the financial advisor cannot advise you to go looking, or advice about properties, is that correct?  

If not, what should we do? Do we go through a financial advisor first and then decide whether we want to go into property with them going with the financial advisor’s plan? 

 

Q3) How to fail to build from Trevor  

Hey Ben & Bryce, 

Just wanted to reach out and say Ep. 480. Guys! This is phe . nom . enal ! I can relate to some if not all of the “how to fail to build” points you raised here.

My true story goes a little something like this. I bought my first house and land package as a PPR just before the GFC hit and after living in it for a year, rented it out because I went off traveling the world in my mid 20s for the next 8/9 years.  

After the real estate agency secured what I thought was a good tenant, I gave them the flick and managed the property privately. Thought it was a great idea to save a few dollars on fees right. Those same tenants moved out 5 years later and I had to replace all the carpets, repaint the walls and replace some fans the kids had swung off of. Needless to say, the bond certainly didn’t cover this.  

I kept the bond and offered the tenants to pay the rest of the bill. Obviously, I heard crickets from them so had to pay the rest out of my own pocket. I had landlords insurance but this is a worst case insurance for me and I never use it to claim small things. It’s just for the “what if the house burns down”.  

You’d think I’d learn right? Wrong.  

I went and got another tenant, funny enough it was the family next door and they were moving out of that house because it was up for sale. I saw an opportunity to save on management fees again and 2 weeks’ rent the real estate would have charged for finding a new tenant. The new family moved in under a private agreement. Sweet as right? 

Nope. After trying to manage this house from a yacht somewhere in the Bahamas (which I worked on by the way, not owned) I found out while doing my own tax return one year that they had underpaid me rent. I had to send them emails and show them spreadsheets from afar of how much they were behind and it was more than 5 grand.  

I thought enough was enough and got a property manager to help sort them out and they did pay me what I was owed and all was fine. But do you know what the kicker is, well it’s not keeping up with what the rental market is doing. I.e. rents around my house had gone up and considerably, but because I was managing this house myself from afar I didn’t have the finger on the pulse.  

After all of this learning, let me tell you fellas… I have now learnt! I maintained a property manager for this house from then on. That lesson had taught me about property management and its importance. What it didn’t teach was having the right strategy in place, and so I sold that house at roughly the 10 year mark (insert palm in face emoji). 

I can wholeheartedly say that the net of the money I saved in management fees over the years was surely a net negative and as you can see to top it off I sold the property and paid commission to do so.  

I can’t bring myself to check the growth of that suburb and what the house would be worth now or even to check what its rental yield would be. For context I sold it in 2022. 

Final point I’ll make on this and for people who may hear this, I wish I got accredited professional help because my future self would have thanked me for it. My wife and I have now got that help through Empower Wealth and we are on a path of retribution.  

I am a dedicated listener to your podcast.  

Keep up the great work!
You guys are my Joe Rogan!
Cheers Trev. 

 

Timestamps  

  • 0:00 – Should You Take Property Advice from a Financial Planner?     
  • 1:29 – Footy banter and Trump’s win  
  • 5:39 – Australia’s FIRST property AI is now LIVE 
  • 9:35 – MoneySMARTS 2.0: Release webinar!  
  • 11:33 – Empower Wealth is hiring a Chief Operating Officer  
  • 14:39 – A heartwarming moment at the Tina Turner concert! Ruva, here’s a shoutout to you 😊  
  • 17:48 – Mindset Minute: “Life is not for complaining about pain and sorrows; it’s about prioritising…”  
  • 19:45 – Bryce’s 50th: Give the gift of sight! 
  • 26:56 – Block Auctions: A reminder it’s not based on real property principles!   
  • 29:51 – Q1) Negative gearing feedback & would I call myself a small business owner 
  • 32:10 – The history of capital gains tax  
  • 34:04 – What makes a small business?  
  • 37:29 – The #1 overarching reason why the property investor narrative needs to change 
  • 39:45 – Framing businesses: Vintage cars and social good 🚗 
  • 43:19 – Negative gearing for… planes?!  
  • 45:05 – Q2) Should you take property advice from a financial planner?    
  • 46:13 – Residential properties aren’t a licensed product!  
  • 50:45 – Bryce’s minibus analogy: Traditional financial planners vs. Investment-savvy financial planners 
  • 54:33 – Why do QUALIFIED property investor advisors (QPIA) matter?  
  • 58:43 – Reach out to us if you want to get on Bus #1!  
  • 1:00:42 – Q3) How to fail to retire on $2K per week  
  • 1:04:58 – Avoid touching the pot!  

And… 

 

TPC Gold | How to Build a Solid Wealth Plan

Today’s bonus snippet is from a previous episode on the 6 Critical Foundations Your Wealth Plan Should Be Built On. 

In this TPC Gold soundbite, Bryce & Ben discuss two of the non-negotiables when building your property portfolio and why it’s so important to get the foundations right! 

Take any iconic building you can think of as an example – whether that’s the Sydney Opera House or the Burj Khalifa. 

Chances are not many were going around taking photos of these structures when they were incomplete…but it was this phase that was absolutely the most important. Building the foundations – whilst not glamorous, is what ensures the buildings are the masterpieces they are today. 

When you have your foundations right, you can account for external movements and be as prepared as you can be for whatever comes your way! 

Tune in to the full episode here: Episode 101 | Sand or Stone – 6 Critical Foundations Your Wealth Plan Should Be Built On 

 

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Episodes You May Like

 

465 | How This Family Can Afford their Year-Long Holiday While Building Their Portfolio

 

We’ve always said that property investing is a process not an event but…

How does one successfully match this process with ongoing family, life AND travel goals to achieve it all?!? 🏡🌟 

Folks, in today’s episode, we’re revealing how it’s possible through two real-life case studies!   

In our first case study, “Scratching the Itch”, we’re exploring how a young family who is looking to spend a memorable year travelling with their young ones can achieve this while continuing to work towards buying their forever home.  

 In the next case study, “Older Demographics Need Help Too!”, we chart the path that Linda, a 54-year-old Zookeeper can take to achieve her dream retirement without sacrificing her current lifestyle.  

We’ll be deep-diving into the problems and life-changing epiphanies each of these brave investors have had, along with the exact steps and plans we created to help each of them achieve it all.  

From the power of prioritisation to seeing what is possible, we’re highlighting the many advantages of seeking professional advice.  A seriously motivational and practical episode for all, give it a listen now!  

 

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Heres some of the gold we cover 

  • 0:00 – How This Family Can Afford their Year-Long Holiday While Building Their Portfolio   
  • 2:34 – PICA is having a new exciting webinar!  
  • 3:23 REVEALED: Our newest Case Study Series launch! 
  • 5:53 – Giveaways 🤗   
  • 9:24 – Calling all potential Summer Series Guests! Share your story here… 
  • 11:44 – Mindset Minute: Never be so foolish as to believe… 
  • 17:35 – Case Study #1: Scratching the Itch 
  • 19:16 – The scary external AND internal problems they were facing… 
  • 23:18 – It’s always better to trade on paper folks!  
  • 26:35 The Lifechanging Epiphanies + Plan 
  • 27:42 – THIS is how they took action!   
  • 34:47 – It’s all about understanding the trade-offs & priorities! 
  • 35:56 – The 2 Fundamental Levers  
  • 40:11 The end result: The achievement + transformation 😊  
  • 44:24 – Case Study #2: Older demographics need help too! 
  • 45:58 – The fears this Zookeeper was facing…  
  • 49:49 – What drove her to act?  
  • 50:32 – The 3 very different solutions she was presented!  
  • 52:35 One of the most important things to remember… 
  • 54:18 – Other factors we considered 😮  
  • 55:26 – The Winning Roadmap to Retirement! 
  • 57:35 – Let’s summarise…  
  • 59:20 – Folks, we’re so lucky (+ THIS is the best time to start)  
  • 1:00:37 – Scratch your itch. Have a conversation with our award-winning team >> 

And… 

  • 1:02:55 – Lifehack: How to finish ANY book!  
  • 1:04:07 – WMPN: Unexpected changes to vacancy rates and shifting markets…😮 

How To “Cheat” The Property Game: The 5-Step Framework, Money SMARTS and Meeting The Industry Players

“Cheat?” By this we mean… How to “Fast Track” The Property Game by getting the PROVEN method from the get-go.

In all honesty… if you’re looking to “rig” the system, or are chasing a “Get Rich Quick” scheme, then you’re likely not going to succeed in property investing… especially over the long term!

That said, there IS a simple 5-Step framework to follow that will make your property investing experience a whole lot easier and much more fruitful… which, of course, we’re unpacking in today’s episode! Plus, we’re diving deep into our famous Money SMARTS system – it’s a no B.S. money management system that will keep you ahead of the game by trapping more surplus cash in only 10 minutes a month (yes, really!… this system is currently transforming more than 15,000 everyday folks’ bank account as we speak!).

On top of that, we’re also walking you through the Industry Players – that is, the major players in the property industry who provide advice. Warning: Not all of these individuals can be trusted, so it’s vital you know what professionals to use and which “Property Spruikers” to avoid at ALL costs!

Listen now to get our proven 5-Step Framework, our simple money management system designed to trap more surplus cash AND meet all the industry players!

Don’t forget, to get further insights and “play along at home” by picking up a FREE physical copy of our book here: http://www.thearmchairguide.com.au/

 

Here’s a bit of what we cover in today’s episode…

  • The Five Steps to Property Investing – The “Yellow Brick Road” to Financial Peace
  • Money SMARTS: The Simple Money Management System That Traps More Surplus in Less Than 10 Minutes A Month
  • Free vs. Free: Who Should Property Investors Take Their Advice From?
  • Who is really on the side of the property buyer?
  • What is a Buyers Agent and do you need one?
  • How to spot a property spruiker
  • Where should ALL of your income go?
  • Why is an Offset Account so powerful?
  • When should you use a credit card?

 

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Episodes from The Property Couch to Further Support You…

 

432 | Another Tax Grab…What 62.5%?!?!

It’s sad but true, we’re back with yet ANOTHER tax grab (It feels like just yesterday that we were waving goodbye to Queensland’s diabolical land tax…) and this time…

We’re talking about a tax that’s set to take 62.5% of your earnings!!! 🤯🏃

Folks, we’re covering everything you need to know about Windfall Gains Tax – what it is, where it came from (according to Ben 😉) and how much you can be expecting to pay. 

(Oh, did we mention you only have 30 DAYS to pay?!)  

Yep. Welcome back to our first Q&A session for 2023 where we’re tackling this shocking tax grab, along with a line-up of fantastic questions like… 

👉 Should I renovate and rent now or rent then renovate later?!

👉 Why buy Established over new housing?! (How much do you really benefit?)

👉 And if diversification is the key to growth, should one expand their investments beyond property?!  

 Another jam-packed episode that sees Ben more fired up than ever (and not just because he gets called Benjy 😉). Tune in now!  

 

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Questions We Answer

Question from Kristy on Rent and Renovate – Now or Later?  

Hello to The Property Couch and all listeners. 

My question relates to an investment property I have in Geelong. It’s a 1980’s property in original condition on a very large block and it’s planned to be a long term hold. 

I’m trying to examine two strategies. The first being just simply rent out and renovate it when it’s time to sell maybe in 20 years versus renovate now and rent it out.Where would we be in 20 years?  

With the first strategy, the property would be very rundown by then. With the second strategy the property would likely need another renovation. Of course, I’m trying to be smart with the numbers to see where we might end up. Which strategy would produce more capital growth? Any thoughts or suggestions with how I might evaluate this? Many thanks and can’t wait to hear back from you. 

 

Question from Wayne on New Housing vs Established 

G’day boys. 

Wayne here from Brisbane. I wanna ask a question here. I’m a little worried that the quality of the information or my voice might be tainted let me start off we go the pies. 

So I’ve been listening to your podcast for quite some time now. I’ve circled to most of the episodes. One of the questions I have is around the established properties versus obviously the house and land packages and so on. 

I get that there’s a whole issue with the supply and demand in newer states and all that sort of stuff. I guess where the confusion for me comes is generally the properties will experience growth because the phases and stages of new developments obviously the land gets more expensive I don’t think it ever gets cheaper so that would kind of dictate that you’re actually going to get some capital growth even in the early stages and if you buy it for long term, 20 or 30 years then obviously at some point these newer states are going to become the established estates as they open up more land etc. 

So obviously the savings that happen in terms of stamp duty being paid on new purchases if you’re only paying it on the land is significant savings there. The non-cash deductions on new properties obviously there’s significant rebates and sort of stuff there from a tax perspective. 

So just wondering why it’s kind of not the accepted way to go?  

I’m not disputing what you guys teach, obviously, you’ve been doing this a couple lot longer than I have but I just I just wonder if you can explain am I missing something? Or you know my reading it right and and just you know it’s one of the options that are available to us so anyway thanks for the info.

 

Question from Ned on Windfall Gains Tax 

G’day Bryce, G’day Ben.

Firstly, thanks so much for all the work you do with the property couch podcast as well as your book. I’ve really really enjoyed my time reading and listening so thanks for all the hard work that you do. It’s really valuable for all your community, no doubt.

My name is Ned, I’m 22 and I’m from Adelaide and I have a question about windfall gains tax particularly how that looks in Victorian Market. I think it could be of interest of payable who either hold currently assets in the rural sector or those looking to potentially invest in that market too so if you could explain what it is exactly, first of all and how it looks going in to the next few years.

I think a lot of people would be interested so thanks guys.I will be looking forward for your response.

 

Question from Cam on Property & Shares – Diversification 

Hi Bryce and Ben.

My name is Cam. Now I have a question for you. If diversification is really the key your growth then the key to your assets, then would you recommend considering other asset clauses such as shares or ETFs?

The reason being is obviously we all love diversification and we do not want to throw our eggs in to one basket. Obviously the great thing about property is that there is a lot of leverage that you can place in to one asset. You could control half a million dollar property in less than 20% even in some cases 5% down.

But if diversification is the key and you have the sizeable amount that you wanted to truly be diversified, with franking credits and dividends being paid, is shares and ETFs something that all people should consider? Or are shares and ETFs something that people should  consider in combination of couple of investment properties?

 

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Here’s some of the gold we cover… 

  • 0:00 – Welcome back & send us your Qs!  
  • 4:32 – Free Resources: Make Your WealthSPEED Go Faster, Free Suburb Report & Moorr!  
  • 12:29 – Mindset Minute: If you feel you’re in control, you’re more likely to… 
  • 16:31 – Q1) Renovate now or later?  
  • 17:30 – What Kristy should be considering…  
  • 19:13 – Ben & Bryce’s rule of thumb for renovations! 
  • 21:25 – Our thought process behind this question (+ potential benefits)   
  • 25:54 – Q2) Buying New Housing vs Established 
  • 28:20 – Why land-to-asset ratio matters! 
  • 31:19 – It boils down to THIS thinking… 
  • 34:10 – Folks, it’s about that 1 or 2%!  
  • 38:00 – Spruikers will show you this 🤨 (& where risk lives)  
  • 41:20 – Q3) Windfall Gains Tax  
  • 42:13 – Everything you need to know about Windfall Gains Tax (An extra 62.5% tax?!?!?)  
  • 45:15 – …And here’s when the thresholds kick in! (It’s not great folks)  
  • 46:50 – Let’s dive into an example… 
  • 48:25 – Who ultimately pays?  
  • 50:55 – This has been our message since Day 1!  
  • 53:08 – The hidden impacts of this tax + how to circumnavigate it  
  • 55:14 – Q4) Property & Shares – Diversification 
  • 56:56 – The best investors say this…  
  • 59:31 – Weighing up the benefits vs costs with diversification  
  • 1:02:20 – Folks, we will NEVER say this…(& the checklist we do recommend!)  
  • 1:03:26 – How to diversify your portfolio beyond property!  

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