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524 | Saving More WITH a Mortgage: Proof That It’s Possible to Go from Living Paycheck to Paycheck to Investing in Property – Chat with Clinton

 “We weren’t criminals by any means, but that’s just how it was.” – Clinton 

Growing up, today’s inspiring Summer Series guest, Clinton, faced such strong feelings of embarrassment and a reality with little to no money.   

His family couldn’t afford car registration — and the fear of fines led them to “duck their heads and pretend we were in an empty car.”  

That lasting feeling of shame, a five-figure bank receipt, and a memorable Christmas present became the catalysts that set Clinton on his journey to financial freedom. 


In this special episode, you’ll hear: 

✅ Learning as you go: Clinton’s journey from first jobs to first apprenticeship 

✅ The life-changing personal loan that changed his perspective on debt 

✅ Dodging spruikers: How Clinton self-educated and built his property knowledge 

✅ Breaking into the Cairns property market: How Clinton and his partner, Alana, took this competitive leap 

✅ Saving more WITH a mortgage: The strategy that’s helping them save for their next investment and stay focused on their financial North Star 

For a motivational story about the power of self-determination, the importance of mentors, and how one small town can change your life, tune in now! 


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Timestamps  

  • 0:00 – Saving More WITH a Mortgage: Proof That It’s Possible to Go from Living Paycheck to Paycheck to Investing in Property – Chat with Clinton 
  • 1:31 – Welcome Clinton!  
  • 2:26 – Money Story: “We weren’t criminals by any means but that’s just how it was.” 
  • 6:48 – Here’s to Clinton’s supermum!  
  • 10:36 – How washing cars and a five-figure receipt taught him that hard work pays off  
  • 15:33 Weipa: The town that changed his life  
  • 17:36 – Who influenced him to invest?  
  • 21:26 – First jobs to first loans: The credit card debt he was grateful for  
  • 26:02 – How Alana helped straighten him out 😉  
  • 27:15 – Escaping spruikers and how he educated himself!  
  • 31:02 – Do THIS investigative work to avoid being spruiked 
  • 33:59 – A job hurdle for lending  
  • 35:10 – How they secured the first property in Cairns  
  • 36:23 – Working 1 week a month?! How Clinton plans to use his financial freedom 
  • 40:53 – How he’s saving more money WITH a mortgage 😮  
  • 44:08 – Why Clinton came on the couch: “It’s amazing what you can achieve when you put your mind to it.”  
  • 48:10 – How he’s smelling the roses while still having delayed gratification  
  • 51:04 – Thank you Clinton!  
  • 53:50 – New book incoming! 

 

523 | From $405K to $830K in 6 Months: How Moorr Allowed This Family To Get Onto the Property Ladder

 

Welcome to our first 2024/25 Summer Series episode, folks!! ☀️🏖️ 🏄‍♀️ 👡 🧢  

We’re so excited to share all the sizzling, eye-opening and heart-warming stories we’ve got lined up and to kick things off, we’ve got Naomi! 

She is the definition of what happens when you combine auction lessons learnt from eBay with the desire to put your family first 👨‍👩‍👧‍👦❤️ 

Her story truly proves that “It doesn’t matter where you start; it’s where you finish.”   

As you’ll hear, her life demonstrates what happens when you consciously decide to fill “the missing tools” in your tool bag. From growing up in a broken home and living hand to mouth with her husband for SEVEN YEARS (you read that right!!) 💰️ 

Tune in to hear how she learnt healthy money behaviours and invested in educating herself to self-fund her retirement. Plus, the power she experienced from discovering MoneySMARTS aka. the money management system that ACTUALLY works for trapping surplus. 

(Spoiler: It was, in fact, what helped her to make the leap on to the property ladder – and how you can do the same!!)  

It’s a fantastic transformation story that impacts not only Naomi, but the generation that came before and after her.  

🎙️🔥 It’s a ripper, folks. Listen now! 


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Timestamps  

  • 0:00 – “That’s All I Believed I Deserved”: From 19 Rentals to Self-Funding her Forever Home – Chat with Naomi 
  • 1:20 – Welcome to Summer Series & Bryce is donating his birthday to charity!
  • 4:28 – Welcome Naomi!  
  • 5:40 – Money Story: Growing up in the era of delayed gratification  
  • 11:29 – Divorces and supporting the family from young  
  • 12:58 – How she survived in Sydney as an 18-year-old  
  • 16:08 – “Sometimes you must fill your tool bag with what you don’t have.” 
  • 19:11 – The Time Crunch: Finishing degrees and pregnant with baby #1  
  • 23:11 – How she lived rent-free in…a lighthouse?!  
  • 24:38 – Buying their home right after the GFC  
  • 27:47 – Why did they decide to invest in property?  
  • 29:57 – How lessons learnt on Ebay helped them buy their investment property!  
  • 30:51 – Sub-dividing land and living with the mother-in-law  
  • 38:13 – The drivers that pushed Naomi to live a different life  
  • 42:42 – Is this the person you want to be? 
  • 45:05 – 17 years old, $20G in savings and owning a car?!  
  • 47:00 – The $30G lesson  
  • 49:59 – How they afforded a home 250 metres from the beach!  
  • 53:18 – The North Star: Family first, first trips overseas, and “mini-retirements”   
  • 57:19 – Sucking the marrow out of life!  

And…

  • 1:03:07 – It doesn’t matter where you start, it’s where you finish. Thank you Naomi!  
  • 1:06:20 – A little 2025 placeholder: January Webinar featuring a VERY special guest… 

 

522 | REVEALED: The Only Money Management System You Need to Effortlessly Manage Your Finances

Folks, the most expensive time of the year is here – Black Friday, Christmas, New Year… it’s all adding up! 💸💸💸 

But don’t worry – we’ve got your back in this week’s special episode. We’re thrilled to unveil the next generation of money management tools to help you stay in control and avoid those dreaded financial blowouts. 

Introducing MoneySMARTS 2.0!

Our revolutionary rules-based system integrated into Moorr, the all-in-one financial and property platform built by property investors, for property investors.  

In under 10 minutes a month, you can manage your money, track your finances, and set yourself up for a wealthier tomorrow. 


In this episode, you’ll hear:

🎯 The life-changing importance of good household money management

🔎 A side-by-side comparison of the world’s top budgeting systems – and why most don’t stick

💡 All the features and benefits of MoneySMARTS 2.0 revealed – including new tools and flexibility

🔧 The integration with MyFINANCIALS – and why it’s a crucial piece for managing your money smarter

✨ Bonus: A LIVE demo with Moorr Product Manager Alric! 

Folks, there’s never been a better time to level up your money management game. Keep your financial goals on track before 2025 by tuning into this episode and taking action! 


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Timestamps  

  • 0:00 – REVEALED: The Only Money Management System You Need to Effortlessly Manage Your Finances 
  • 0:58 – Folks, summer series is around the corner… 
  • 3:09 – Watch this episode which is a replay of Moorr’s LIVE webinar!  
  • 5:14 – The Green’s good policy to help first homeowners 
  • 7:20 – Welcome to all & what we cover ($297 worth of prizes to win?!)  
  • 10:11 – The pillars of Moorr  
  • 11:39 – What tools and insights do Moorr offer into money & wealth management?  
  • 14:41 – The life-changing importance of good household money management 
  • 17:03 – What money management solutions are out there?   
  • 19:55 – How we’ve created the best of both worlds with MoneySMARTS 2.0  
  • 24:19 – The magical set-up behind MoneySMARTS 2.0  
  • 28:33 – Why we rebuilt Moorr with MyFINANCIALS!  
  • 30:10 – The basis of MyFINANCIALS: The Classic Single Primary Account
  • 34:49 – A tip for credit card users!  
  • 35:43 – Welcome Alric, our revolutionary Product Manager 😊  
  • 37:18 – What have we upgraded in MoneySMARTS 2.0?  
  • 41:20 – Live DEMO (Watch this on YouTube folks!): Integrated historical data  
  • 44:04 – Why you can now get rid of all your old spreadsheets!  
  • 45:55 – Multiple bank account tracking: From 10 to 2-minute management 
  • 51:34 – Why don’t we need a monthly check for your offset account? 
  • 52:50 – Greater flexibility & the functionality of rollover  
  • 59:14 – Q1) Is it available on both web and mobile?  
  • 1:00:01– Q2) Concern for putting financial information in one place and its security  
  • 1:03:13 – Q3) Why purple?  
  • 1:04:16 – Q4) The timeframe for the integration  
  • 1:05:32 – Q5) Options for no credit card?  
  • 1:05:55 – Q6) What should my credit card limit be?  
  • 1:07:14 – Q7) What’s considered “Living & Lifestyle” jar expenses?    
  • 1:08:45 – Q8) Made a mistake setting up, should I delete all my data and start again?!  
  • 1:11:10 – Q9 & Q10) Will more tools be added around the property analysis?  
  • 1:14:37 – Learn more about MoneySMARTS 2.0  
  • 1:16:06 – What’s coming soon: Transactions  
  • 1:20:25 – For property investors…  
  • 1:26:55 – How to share your feedback on Moorr!  
  • 1:27:28 – Bonuses: Free property report & podcasts  
  • 1:29:14 – Take action now! Download the Moorr app.  
  • 1:30:38 – It will ALWAYS be FREE!  

 

520 | Should You Take Property Advice from a Financial Planner?

Folks, Episode 520 is not just another massive Q&A Day on the couch, but today’s episode has us responding to the rawest feedback we’ve EVER received. 🤯 

Plus, you’ve heard our about property investing journeys. But what about today’s true story from Trevor, who backs up everything we said about failing to retire on $2K per week?!  

You’ll have to tune in to find out how he gets out of this sticky situation. 


In this episode, you’ll hear:

  • Why TPC listener Gabriel opposes calling property investors “small business owners” 📈 
  • Capital Gains Tax: Has the AFR proven us wrong? 🤔 
  • Should you take property advice from a financial planner? 🏡 
  • How do birthdays and curing blindness overlap? Tune in at 19:45 to find out. 👁️  

It’s a ripper episode folks. Give it a listen now!  


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    Join Bryce, Ben, and Moorr’s Product Manager, Alric, as they walk you through the powerful new features of MoneySMARTS 2.0 and share practical tips to make your money work harder for you! Register for the webinar here >>  
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Questions We Answer

Q1) Feedback on Episode 515 – Negative Gearing from Gabriel  

Hello, 

Firstly thanks so much for all the work you are doing for giving an alternative to some of the media rhetoric on this topic.  Can I offer a couple of points as constructive feedback after listening to the episode.  

While it provided a lot of good points to consider, I think there is an opportunity to rethink a couple.  

Firstly on the history of capital gains tax, while you said that it replaced existing arrangements, you failed to mention the important point that it is more generous that its predecessor and that there is scope for scaling it back. The AFR in their Fin podcast mentioned that CGT was worth $25B a year vs $2B for negative gearing. It was meant to encourage investment in businesses and instead turbo charged property.  

Secondly I find you calling property investors small business owners irritating, and if this is a sentiment shared by many others I wonder if it could be detrimental to the cause of changing the public opinion of ‘greedy investors’.  

While I own an investment property myself, I would never introduce myself as a ‘small business owner’ based on that. I own an asset that serves a great social purpose of housing Australians, but this is not a business where I create something new out of time, creativity and resources.  

The asset is already there, built by an actual business. It’s managed by another business – a property management agency and it’s maintained by other businesses like tradies.  

I don’t have an ABN and don’t need one. If I owned shares which ultimately give capital to listed businesses so they can invest and grow the economy, would I call myself a small business owner? 

Love your work (still!) 

Regards,
Gabriel 

 

Q2) Role of financial advisor in property investing from Helal 

Hi, I hope you are doing well.  

I have a question about the role of a financial advisor and the services that you provide. From what I understood from listening to the podcast is that the financial advisor cannot advise you to go looking, or advice about properties, is that correct?  

If not, what should we do? Do we go through a financial advisor first and then decide whether we want to go into property with them going with the financial advisor’s plan? 

 

Q3) How to fail to build from Trevor  

Hey Ben & Bryce, 

Just wanted to reach out and say Ep. 480. Guys! This is phe . nom . enal ! I can relate to some if not all of the “how to fail to build” points you raised here.

My true story goes a little something like this. I bought my first house and land package as a PPR just before the GFC hit and after living in it for a year, rented it out because I went off traveling the world in my mid 20s for the next 8/9 years.  

After the real estate agency secured what I thought was a good tenant, I gave them the flick and managed the property privately. Thought it was a great idea to save a few dollars on fees right. Those same tenants moved out 5 years later and I had to replace all the carpets, repaint the walls and replace some fans the kids had swung off of. Needless to say, the bond certainly didn’t cover this.  

I kept the bond and offered the tenants to pay the rest of the bill. Obviously, I heard crickets from them so had to pay the rest out of my own pocket. I had landlords insurance but this is a worst case insurance for me and I never use it to claim small things. It’s just for the “what if the house burns down”.  

You’d think I’d learn right? Wrong.  

I went and got another tenant, funny enough it was the family next door and they were moving out of that house because it was up for sale. I saw an opportunity to save on management fees again and 2 weeks’ rent the real estate would have charged for finding a new tenant. The new family moved in under a private agreement. Sweet as right? 

Nope. After trying to manage this house from a yacht somewhere in the Bahamas (which I worked on by the way, not owned) I found out while doing my own tax return one year that they had underpaid me rent. I had to send them emails and show them spreadsheets from afar of how much they were behind and it was more than 5 grand.  

I thought enough was enough and got a property manager to help sort them out and they did pay me what I was owed and all was fine. But do you know what the kicker is, well it’s not keeping up with what the rental market is doing. I.e. rents around my house had gone up and considerably, but because I was managing this house myself from afar I didn’t have the finger on the pulse.  

After all of this learning, let me tell you fellas… I have now learnt! I maintained a property manager for this house from then on. That lesson had taught me about property management and its importance. What it didn’t teach was having the right strategy in place, and so I sold that house at roughly the 10 year mark (insert palm in face emoji). 

I can wholeheartedly say that the net of the money I saved in management fees over the years was surely a net negative and as you can see to top it off I sold the property and paid commission to do so.  

I can’t bring myself to check the growth of that suburb and what the house would be worth now or even to check what its rental yield would be. For context I sold it in 2022. 

Final point I’ll make on this and for people who may hear this, I wish I got accredited professional help because my future self would have thanked me for it. My wife and I have now got that help through Empower Wealth and we are on a path of retribution.  

I am a dedicated listener to your podcast.  

Keep up the great work!
You guys are my Joe Rogan!
Cheers Trev. 

 

Timestamps  

  • 0:00 – Should You Take Property Advice from a Financial Planner?     
  • 1:29 – Footy banter and Trump’s win  
  • 5:39 – Australia’s FIRST property AI is now LIVE 
  • 9:35 – MoneySMARTS 2.0: Release webinar!  
  • 11:33 – Empower Wealth is hiring a Chief Operating Officer  
  • 14:39 – A heartwarming moment at the Tina Turner concert! Ruva, here’s a shoutout to you 😊  
  • 17:48 – Mindset Minute: “Life is not for complaining about pain and sorrows; it’s about prioritising…”  
  • 19:45 – Bryce’s 50th: Give the gift of sight! 
  • 26:56 – Block Auctions: A reminder it’s not based on real property principles!   
  • 29:51 – Q1) Negative gearing feedback & would I call myself a small business owner 
  • 32:10 – The history of capital gains tax  
  • 34:04 – What makes a small business?  
  • 37:29 – The #1 overarching reason why the property investor narrative needs to change 
  • 39:45 – Framing businesses: Vintage cars and social good 🚗 
  • 43:19 – Negative gearing for… planes?!  
  • 45:05 – Q2) Should you take property advice from a financial planner?    
  • 46:13 – Residential properties aren’t a licensed product!  
  • 50:45 – Bryce’s minibus analogy: Traditional financial planners vs. Investment-savvy financial planners 
  • 54:33 – Why do QUALIFIED property investor advisors (QPIA) matter?  
  • 58:43 – Reach out to us if you want to get on Bus #1!  
  • 1:00:42 – Q3) How to fail to retire on $2K per week  
  • 1:04:58 – Avoid touching the pot!  

And… 

 

513 | What’s The Forgotten Pillar of Wealth Creation?

It’s not a fun BBQ conversation like discussing the rate you snagged or the exciting new property you just bought but…

It is a critical pillar for holding up your entire wealth creation. 🏠🃏 

Yep. We’re talking about the forgotten pillar of wealth creation.

Here’s the deal:

  • What essential defences do you need to protect your income, assets and lifestyle?
  • What does Ben consider a “Peace of Mind” policy?
  • The hidden problem in houses
  • How does defence tie in with the two core pillars of property investing?

It’s an episode that not enough folks are talking about. Tune in now so your wealth isn’t, in the wise words of Ben, “built on a house of cards.”

Listen now!

 

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Timestamps

  • 0:00 – What’s The Forgotten Pillar of Wealth Creation? 
  • 1:24 – The torturous path of being a Freo supporter 😉  
  • 4:10 – Vote for us in the 2024 Australian Podcast Awards!  
  • 6:35 – Mindset Minute: Kind words from a listener: What happens when action meets an improvement mindset 
  • 10:03 – The Forgotten Pillar  
  • 11:09 – Income: “Do more than what you’re paid to do, and eventually…”  
  • 14:53 – Why adding value should be part of your defence strategy!  
  • 18:48 – How much buffer should you have?  
  • 21:42 – THIS is why a property-savvy accountant really matters in your accumulation phase 
  • 23:53 – Your health is your wealth  
  • 25:28 – A lot of banks assess this ONE thing!  
  • 27:13 – Lifestyle: Your North Star and do THIS if you’re feeling wobbly  
  • 30:33 – How to Google Maps your lifestyle  
  • 32:24 – Defining TPD & Trauma: Nuances and Ben’s personal stories  
  • 36:06 – Life insurance: Don’t just do it for the primary earner  
  • 37:37 Assets: The hidden problem in houses  
  • 41:41 – Protecting YOU against tenants  
  • 44:41 – Tenancy reforms: A $23,000 fine?! Here’s how to avoid it.  
  • 48:30 – The 4 Pillars: How does Defence tie in with Borrowing Power & Cash Management? 

And… 

 

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