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Episode 064 | Case study: mid 30s couple, combined income of $150k p.a, existing PPOR and two IPs

It has been quite some time since our last case study so this time on The Property Couch, Bryce and Ben will be discussing one the case studies that we’ve received from our fellow listeners! Here’s what Tom wrote to us:

 


 

After listening to Episode 56 where you discussed various other case studies I thought I might write in to see if you were interested in discussing our situation. I’ll try and keep it short!

Basically, my partner Kirby (30yo) and I (32yo) are both teachers on a combined income of about $160k. 3 years ago we got the bug to do something with our money but weren’t exactly sure how. Our simple goal is to have choice whether to work or not. If we had no loans to service we imagine a passive income of $80-100k would be more than enough, and any more is a bonus!

We had a PPOR property valued at a tad over 300k with a mortgage of ~200k, limited other expenses and a disciplined approach to spending. Property sounded like a great avenue so we went about increasing our knowledge. Unfortunately our naivety led us to a property investment ‘education’ group where although we have learn a lot we have made what we think are two poor investment decisions. We overpaid for both to fatten the developer’s margins.

Our first was brought using the above equity in our PPOR and was a House and Land duplex in Dakabin, Qld for circa $500k. Although the yield is decent there were many costs that the property investment ‘education’ group failed to mention/understand that we have been left with, and there is little scarcity or owner occupier appeal to make growth a good prospect. We have always had tenants in both sides which has been great. We borrowed 90% on interest only terms.

About 18 months ago we signed another contract, this time on a 4 bed H & L in Doolandella, 18kms out of Brisbane for circa $400k. After a long land settlement this was completed yesterday and will be advertised for rent tomorrow. Looking at about a 4.9% yield. Again, this is on an interest only loan at 90%. Deposit and costs were paid from our savings – I know, huge mistake!

Right after we signed this contract we found your podcasts which have taught us that there are so many fundamental errors in our property selections, and if we had our time again would have purchased existing properties with scarcity and owner occupier appeal.

We have just had our first child and Kirby is now off work. We have a ~$45k buffer in our PPOR offset and somehow are still managing to save, even though Kirby is off work, although receiving maternity leave payments.

We use a credit card to pay for 95% of our spending, and repay at the end of every month to ensure no interest payments.

So, we are still very keen to use property as our investment vehicle and have learned so much in the last year but are now stuck as to our next step. We doubt we would have enough equity to purchase again now and the fact Kirby is off work will severely hamper our serviceability. She will return to work at the start of 2017.
Questions:

  • Do we sell both/one of our current properties? We’d like to keep if possible as I am a firm believer in buy and hold, although will they hamper us moving forward?
  • Where to from here?

Any information from you would be extremely appreciated. I’m sure there are a number of people who have used ‘property spruikers’ such as these to purchase less than ideal investments.


 

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Episode 063 | Q&A – What’s the next step to building a portfolio, size of the portfolio, IP or PPOR and diversifying wealth strategy

It’s Q&A time again! This week on The Property Couch, Bryce Holdaway and Ben Kingsley will be answering the questions below from our fellow listeners. Thanks again for submitting your questions!

  • Next step to building a portfolio question from Derrick: I was listening to your “tips for FHO’s” episode where you advised a gentleman to think about getting a one bedder in a desirable suburb (like Bondi) as his first place. Coincidentally I pretty much did that 4.5 years ago…buying a 1 bedroom unit in Woollahra. So you could say that I am that guy four years later! The only difference is that my apartment wasn’t part of an investment strategy at the time, I just liked the apartment! I am at the stage now that I want to get into property investing but at the same time I’m conscious about finding my second place of residence for my wife and I in about three years…preferably living in a similar area. So I’m trying to tackle two thoughts at once: how do I invest in my long term future while figuring out how to afford my next home? What should someone like myself be thinking? Should I be looking to invest and build more equity for our second place? Should I sit on our current property and save, while looking to use my current place of residency as a future investment property? Or is there another route? Thanks for your advice and thanks again for the show!
  • Size of portfolio question from Jason: Started to listen to podcast recently and love it keep up the good work. I just wanted your guys opinion on the ability to build large portfolios now in this current lending environment. I have heard you guys mention that you only need 4 to 5 properties to have a passive income and live into retirement but what if you want to have larger portfolio say of 10 or 20 properties is this achievable for people on average incomes like previously? Or has the APRA changes stopped this from occurring in the future?
  • Question on leverage from James: I’m 27 and looking to make a good go at property investing. I have recently sold my first investment property and now have a lot of capital from the sale. My investment now is a new property being finished in 12 months . My question is after selling down the 1st investment property, am I better off paying for the new one in full (using the rental income to service another investment property afterwards), or should I purchase a few more properties while i have a large sum off money and spreading the cash around to gain more houses for a larger passive income later down the line. Bearing in mind my age and goals. Thanks guys! and keep up the great work.
  • IP or PPOR question from Karla: Hey guys. I love the podcast and the sign offs too Ben! My question is, if you are renting and have the ability to purchase a property. Is it better to buy an investment property or a principle place of residence (IP or PPOR) first? Which would set you up better for the next step? It feels like a bit of “chicken or the egg”. I’d love to know hour thoughts! Keep up the good work and I can’t wait for footy season to hear your commentary!
  • Case study question from Deanna:  I am 22 yrs old and am convinced of the benefits of property as along term wealth building strategy, for now I am trying to develop as much understanding as I can. My questions are as follows:
    • Do you recommend that the first property that someone buys is for PPOR or can it sometimes be an IP? For example this may be relevant for young people currently living in Sydney who are renting but would also looking to be a border-less investor. In what/ if any scenarios do you think this could be a smart plan?
    • What is your opinion of young people utilising the first home buyers grant. I understand that in majority of discussion that you advocate for established buildings rather than new dwellings, however when I read a case study you wrote for Money magazine the 20 something year old strategy included using the first home buyers grant for their first property (PPR).
    • This is a broad question and may potentially be outside you scope of practice but I was wondering what your opinion was in diversifying wealth building strategies. For example do you observe in your successful clients that they are involved in property investment only or do they often also include other investments such as a share portfolio to their strategy.

 

References:

  • Money magazine – Special Real Estate Edition – Buy here
  • ABC News article: Who uses negative gearing in Australia? – Read here
  • RP Data: Weekly rents have continued to fall over the past year – Read here
  • 2GB Ross Greenwood chat with Roger Montgomery – Listen here
  • Qantas in-flight radio: Alan Kohler chat with Bryce Holdaway – Listen Here

 

If you like this Q&A episode (Exiting a contract, crowdfunding, what’s the impact of global events on Australia Property Market and more), don’t forget to rate us at our iTunes channel (The Property Couch Podcast) and our Facebook page. Any questions or ideas? Feel free to drop us your thoughts here: http://tpcaustralia.wpengine.com/topics/

Episode 60 | Building a portfolio through Rentvesting – Chat with Chris Gray

It’s Episode 60 and we’ve got a special guest on the show today! Bryce and Ben have invited Chris Gray, host of  ‘Your Property Empire’, on Sky News Business Channel and CEO of Empire Property to talk about all things property.

The Property Couch podcast - Building a portfolio through Rentvesting - Chat with Chris GrayApart from being a property expert, Chris also manages his own property portfolio and is currently a rentvestor. In fact, he has been rentvesting for quite some time. So, drawing from his experience, the three of them will be discussing about:

  • How did he built his property portfolio through rentvesting
  • The considerations that an investor will need to think about if they decide to adopt this investment strategy
  • The required mindset for rentvestors
  • The scenarios where rentvesting is worth implementing
  • What kind of expectation you would get from family and friends
  • How to look at the numbers and ensure your cash flow is taken care of

They will also be discussing about the lessons learned along the way and what they think about the current Australian Property Market. If you are interested in the Capital Growth Break Even Calculator mentioned in this podcast, just fill in the form below and we’ll send it to you right away:

 

Capital Growth Break Even Calculator


You can also download a copy of Ben’s Money Magazine article here: Download here
If you like this podcast: “Building a portfolio through Rentvesting – Chat with Chris Gray”, don’t forget to rate us at our iTunes channel (The Property Couch Podcast) and our Facebook page. If you have any questions or ideas, feel free to drop us your thoughts here: http://tpcaustralia.wpengine.com/topics/

Episode 59 | Rentvesting: What is it and who is it for?

Money Magazine - March 2016 Cover PicAs mentioned in previous podcast, Bryce Holdaway and Ben Kingsley will be talking about Rentvesting today! It’s not a common property investing strategy but it is gaining some momentum amongst Australian property investors. In fact, Ben was asked to write about this for the March 2016 Cover Story of Money Magazine. If you would like a copy of this article, just fill in the form below and we’ll send it to you right away.

In this episode, our hosts will be explaining what this strategy is all about. The concept is fairly simple but it is important to note that rentvesting is NOT for everyone. You need to look at your numbers and make sure that it works for your cash flow position. There a few other considerations that you’ll need to think about as well before jumping in such as how it’ll benefit your household’s circumstances and how comfortable are you with the concept of renting. Start listening to the podcast to find out more.

 

ps: They will also be giving an update on the Negative Gearing debate at the end of this podcast! 🙂

 

The resources mentioned in this post:

  • Ben’s interview with 2GB Radio – Listen more
  • Fill in the form below to start downloading Ben’s article on Rentvesting:

 

Money Magazine Download

 

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Money Magazine Cover Story – Rent and Invest

Money Magazine - March 2016 Cover PicThank you for your interest in the Rentvesting Article!

Just fill in the form below to start downloading the article.

 

ps: For those of you who have stumbled on to this post, please do check out Episode 59 where Bryce & Ben discuss about this investment strategy in detail.

 

 

 

 

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