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Exit Strategy

Please Note: This episode is a re-run. The original air-date was on August 6, 2015. 😊   

“Begin with the end in mind.”
Stephen Covey  

In this week’s bonus episode, we’re rewinding the clocks and revisiting a past episode that covers a core strategy every investor should have…    

Your Exit Strategy  

From the “Buying and Holding” to the “Buying and Selling” strategy, we’re exploring the many ways an investor can leave the property market and which approach works best under certain conditions.    

Plus, tune in to hear how you can easily calculate the cost of your lifestyle (thereby how much you need to retire), understand the math behind reverse mortgages and learn: How realistic is the living off equity strategy?   

An old episode that covers an evergreen concept, tune in now folks!   

 

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Timestamps

  • 0:00 – Exit Strategy  
  • 1:58 – Where this episode came from  
  • 5:21 – Living off Equity   
  • 8:03 – “A goal without a date is just a dream”  
  • 9:57 – What fulfils you?    
  • 12:07 – How to calculate the cost of your lifestyle  
  • 14:22 – Buying & Holding   
  • 16:05 – Buying & Selling  
  • 19:40 – How realistic is living off equity?   
  • 20:18 – Reverse Mortgages   
  • 23:29 – This is Nirvana for Bryce   
  • 25:38 – Why most investors only need 3-5 investment properties    
  • 27:05 – Is Fractional Selling the Future?   

 

148 | Q&A WITH TWO GUESTS! Why We Support Movember, Where is Australia’s Best Performing Markets and What You Should Be Buying Now

Alright, folks …. This is a jam-packed episode!! 2 GUESTS, Q & A and some big announcements! So, where do we start?

First up … We have reached our Movember target of $10,000 big ones! A massive shout out to those who have donated, and a little reminder for those who haven’t done so yet: Donate $25 or more and get a FREE book! If we hit $11,000 Bryce will do his own Webinar TOO!!

(Ben’s webinar is coming up soon! You can access his Principle and Interest versus Interest Only Webinar AND his Working Out Your Retirement Shortfall Webinar by Downloading our Money SMARTS SYSTEM here.)

 

Speaking of Movember, our first guest is Sam Gledhill. He’s the Global Action Plan (GAP) Program Manager at Movember and he has some seriously interesting (not to mention seriously important) stuff to share with you! With a background in nuclear medicine technology — having been with the Foundation since 2012 and now responsible for the overall investments in Testicular Cancer — Sam will explain exactly why your donation is, literally, lifesaving.

 

Secondly, it’s Q&A day AND we have another guest! Not only are we answering your voicemail messages, but also we’ve bought LocationScore’s director (and data nutcase), Jeremy Sheppard, back to The Couch! This time Jeremy will to tell you the supply and demand for each State and Territory, including the one showing the highest potential for capital growth.

 

Here’s a snapshot on what we’ll be chatting about today:

 

First Voicemail (SpeakPipe) from “Anonymous”:

“I’m thinking of using a Buyers Agent to secure an investment property. I’m curious to know if I need to give them a Letter of Authority or a Power of Attorney, or both. Can you please explain the difference, and how I can use them? Thanks!”

 

Second Voicemail (SpeakPipe) from Stuart:

“Hi guys, great podcast. I’ve spent the last year listening to your podcast trying to get as many tips and advice about my property investment journey, which I’ll hopefully embark on very soon. Bit of a ‘spanner in the works’ though — I’d always envisioned starting out with maybe a 1 bedroom, around $300,000 – $400,000, maybe as a borderless investor (I currently live in Victoria). But our current house that we owner-occupy is looking a bit too small for us … my wife has proposed the question that we look at buying a bigger property. So the key to the question is, What are your thoughts on your first rental property actually being the one you currently occupy? I know you guys like detail, so I’ll shoot through to this: Currently it’s a 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom property in Chelsea, Victoria about 17 – 20 minutes from the train station and the beach. We bought it for about $505,000 in 2013, we owe $467,000 on it, we pay interest-only — about $1500 a month — and I think it’s worth about $650,000. So I’m really interested to know: what are your thoughts on a 3bd, 2bath house in Chelsea becoming our first rental investment? It’s not really what I’d mapped out listening to your podcast, but we’d probably have to buy a bigger, 4bd in Chelsea/Bonbeach area & I just want to see if this is a viable option in your opinion? I look forward to hearing your thoughts! Thanks!”

 

Third Voicemail (SpeakPipe) from Nicole:

“I’m from Canberra, woo! Looking at buying our 3rd property (1 PPOR and 2 IP). We’re looking at investing in a 1 br unit, which is 41 sqm in an old 1970s building, 5 km from CBD. It’s in Canberra, I’m aware of the land tax). $200,000 property with a $300 week yield. Husband can renovate it, which I think out ways the land tax issue. Question about banks’ lending money to under 50sqm. There seems to be banks that will lend these days, but going forward if we were to sell this — say in 20 years’ time, if we do sell it — do you think the banks are going to change their lending criteria on smaller places, considering most people, moving forward, will be living in small places? I guess I’m concerned that it’s going to be hard to sell in the future? What are your thoughts on this?”

 

Fourth Voicemail (SpeakPipe) from Nicole:

“My wife and I have about $180K to invest — we’re looking at buying our first home in Brisbane. Trying to choose between paying, which in our eyes is a premium, about the $600K mark for an older 3 bedroom home somewhere closer to the CBD like Moorooka or the convenient location of Mount Gravatt. Or: Paying early to mid $500K and getting a bigger, 4 bedroom home somewhere further away like Underwood or Springwood and using $120K of our deposit, leaving us about $60K towards our next property down the line. Again, it’s our first home, and we don’t plan on living in it forever. We just want to use this purchase as a stepping stone to our next property. To sum it up: Buying a property closer to the city, which will use up most of our deposit, versus by a home further away, leaving us with a good amount of money to jump into the market again down the line. Would love to know what you think.  I know that you say it’s good to be close to the city as a rule of thumb; but I am worried that this will prolong our next purchase considerably. Thanks guys.”

147 | Q&A – What’s Your Exit Strategy? Are You Retiring or Have You Bought a “Dud”?

It’s Q & A day BUT first things first … thank you!!

We have officially nailed our Movember target of $5,000!!!

And we’ve been busy parcelling The Armchair Guide to Property Investing for those of you who donated $25 or more (yep, for those who haven’t donated yet, you can still get a free book if you do this)!

PLUS, as Ben promised, he will be doing a Free Webinar on Working Out Your Retirement Gap … so stay tuned!!

In the first few minutes of today’s show, we also make an announcement on what happens if we hit our next target. (It has to do with Stiggy!!!)

 

But back to today’s Q & A on EXIT STRATEGIES, here’s what you’re in for:

 

The Q’s are as follows, folks:

 

Question from Lou:

Hi guys … long time listener (you take the edge off Sydney commuting, so thank you)!

My husband and I currently have six properties in NSW (nothing in Sydney metro … yet) valued at $2.3 million and LVR at 64% and gross yield of 8.2%.

We are both 40(ish) with two kids under 5. Our aim is to retire early with a $100K income. Reading your book and watching the videos and listening to the podcasts, I am wondering if retirement income is always based on rental income alone, or do you ever recommend borrowing off the equity as part of an early retirement strategy (with major buffers of course!). We’ve been very wrapped up in the acquisition phase that it’s hard to see where the end is especially when rents seem to creep up so slowly … I would love your thoughts on ‘living off the equity’ as part of a strategy.

 

Question from Chris:

Hi, I just started listening to your podcast. Can I get some advice from you guys regarding this case?

Mid of 2016, I paid 40k down payment (10%) for an off-the-plan 1 bed room apartment in Melbourne CBD (close to Melbourne Central.) The settlement is in 2018.

After getting some education from several property investment resources including your podcast (which I should have done first), I realised that I had probably made a rookie mistake. The purpose of this investment was tax deduction (another rookie mistake, I know).

Now, I still have some cash (around $200K) in my home loan offset account (saving and equity from a remortgage). If I want to start building a long-term portfolio (I’m 37, 2 young kids), what shall be my next step? Do you suggest I sell off-the-plan apartment before settlement? I have a very bad feeling about that off-the-plan apartment before settlement? I have a very bad feeling about that investment …

Look forward to your advice!

 

Question from Sonya

I’ve started listening to you guys (and yes, I tune out to the football banter) and yes, I have bought your book. My question is: What determines whether or not an investment property is a ‘dud’, and should you get out of it as soon as these signs start to appear? We bought an investment property in Thornbury, Melbourne. The area has had great growth in the last five years, average above 8%. Our property is a 2 bedroom townhouse, circa 1970s. It has grown about 4% pa and rent has not increased in the 5 years we’ve had it. Rental yield is about 4%. I believe the location is the problem as it is not a walk to the main hipster drag. We have cash flow to purchase another property, but could have more if we sell this ‘dud’. And we have a capital gains loss from a piece of land we sold a while ago, which we can use to offset any capital gain we may make if we sell the ‘dud’. Does this have signs of a property ‘dud’? Do we hold out and wait, or do we exit now, use the capital loss to our benefit and buy another property?

 

Question from Christian:

  1. I would love to listen to an episode dedicated to exit strategy and retirement.

These types of strategies, how to exit, how much income to expect in retirement etc.

  1. Are the days of large property portfolios over?? Given the current APRA restrictions and banks extremely conservative assessment rates, many investors with 3 – 4 properties are finding it difficult to borrow more for further purchases. Banks are assessing existing borrowings and P&I loans with rates at 7.5%. Rental income at 80% and negative gearing not taken into account. For an investor with 2 ­­– 3 properties or more, that kills your servicing to borrow more. Yes, it’s a first world problem, but we need to build a decent asset base to get the passive income stream down the track!

Thoughts??

Love your work!!

104 | 7 Ways To Lose Money In Property

After last week’s much-anticipated talk with Jan Somers who is an example of someone who has made many successful choices when building her 40 plus year old portfolio, today’s episode features Bryce and Ben discussing seven of the most common ways many of us lose money when investing in property. With key advice and some examples of how and why the choices we make as property investors can have a negative impact on our portfolios, the guys make sure to warn us and help us understand why these ways can cost you money rather than make you more.

The first way to lose money in property is choosing the wrong location. As they have mentioned in countless episodes, location does 80% of the heavy lifting when purchasing property so making sure you have the right location is one of the key things to look for. It covers many areas such as amenities, human interest and practicality; so getting it right means a lot to your portfolio. To find out the rest of the points, make sure you tune in to this latest episode!

And don’t forget, we will be at the Melbourne Property Buyer Expo this weekend so if you are around, do come and say hi! 🙂

 

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And as always, if you like this episode (7 Ways To Lose Money In Property), don’t forget to rate us on our iTunes channel (The Property Couch Podcast) and our Facebook page. Any questions or ideas? Feel free to drop us your thoughts here: http://tpcaustralia.wpengine.com/topics/

099 | Q&A – Tips For Investing Late In Life, Selling Your Home, Fixing A Downward Portfolio Spiral and more

As Bryce puts it today, we’ve made it to “99, not out!” and with just 1 episode to go before the big 1-0-0, we’re back to provide you with another Q&A Session. In today’s episode, Bryce and Ben give advice on whether to sell your home, tips for investing later on in life, what to do when your property portfolio is falling into a downward spiral, and more. Today’s questions are from the following listeners:

 

  • Fernando on whether or not to sell his home: My wife and I moved from SYD to MELB four years ago without not even knowing where its north was. We rented an apartment in the beautiful East Melbourne for a year as we wanted to enjoy this beautiful city life style but also knowing that we needed to buy a property after that time so we were not building someone else’s future. So we bought “with our hearts” a 3 beds, 2 bath, studio + man cave OLD house out in Donvale with the “vision” of slowly renovate it while starting a family, be surrounded by green, live the Australian dream and on top of that, generate a good growth on the property in a medium term. We love the area BUT… Now, after 2 kids, our cash flow is quite dry and we need to do something about it (classic isn’t it).

Our first bet is to sell as Donvale is not a good suburb from a rent perspective (Yield), put whatever money we can make from the sell – We bought at 520K, the median is 650K and we’ve been slowly renovating a few things, but again, without enough cash to finish it, we are not expecting making a huge profit – into an investment property and then became “Rentvestors”, we wouldn’t mind to sacrifice moving out to a suburb where rent is half what our current mortgage is. In our raw calculations, in 3 – 5 years we could be saving enough to buy the second investment property.

I believe the best things Australia has to offer are for free (parks, security, culture, etc.), so for now, not living in the suburb we’d prefer is not such a big deal when thinking on our medium-long term goals which are given to our kids the best that we possible can and start a passive income strategy for our future ASAP. On the other hand, if we keep the property, we’d need to put a considerable amount of cash on top of the rent in order to pay the mortgage, so our savings wouldn’t be enough to think in buying a good investment property any soon. We will regret not keeping this property… I can guarantee you that but we don’t see any other immediate solution.

  • Monique on whether or not to sell her home: Taken your advice, but what now? Given the projected apartment oversupply, should we sell our inner suburbs 1bdr flat to put towards our next home? Or is it still a good investment worth holding on to?
  • James on interest only loans:Part 1: 2 years ago my wife and I purchased a property 5km from the Brisbane CBD for $530,000. Unfortunately we only spoke to 1 bank, didn’t seek advice and fixed the whole loan for 3 years at 5.05% so have no offset and no way of paying more off the loan than prescribed fortnightly payment amount. After listening to your podcasts and just starting to read your book just this week, we have since found a decent mortgage broker and are considering refinancing and setting up the money smarts structure. We are considering an interest only loan, as discussed in your podcast, to give us the flexibility to purchase another property over the next 2-3 years, but currently we are getting conflicting advice from our financial planner who is against interest only and our mortgage broker who is telling us ‘cash is king’ in your offset account and we should consider it. The idea is to pay the same amount as we are paying now with our P&I loan but go onto interest only 100% variable (4.3% int rate) and let the cash stack up in the offset. What are your thoughts on this?
  • Ronie on investing late in life: Hi Guys, Loving the podcasts. Only started a month ago and am devouring them. Ben, I don’t know if you’ve been told this before, but when I’m listening to you, I can’t help but associate your voice to radio celeb Fitzy. Anyway, my question is, how to start in the property investment after 40. We are self employed, and although have a few savings, is not near enough the 20% asked for a deposit. We don’t even have our own house. Should we work towards that first? Thank you guys!
  • Lyell on the next steps to take in fixing his property portfolio: : I bought my first property at 22 in Kalgoorlie WA. I know i know, mining towns are dangerous. We bought that property is 2010 and have see no capital growth what so ever. Property was bought in 2005 for $197k and we purchased it for $340k in 2010. Not a bad profit for the previous owners. As soon as we bought it, growth stopped. We are however getting 7% gross yield (leased at $460pw). We then bought a house on a big block in Ballajura in the north eastern suburbs of Perth. We bought that for $450k in 2014. Unfortunately that house has dropped by around 7%. We now love in this home. But we leased it at $435pw. We are now at 90% LVR. Both properties are 3 x 2’s with the Perth property on 760sqm. This house was bought for $128K in 1998 prior to us. Very disheartening for a young couple. Could i get a rough idea on what you would do in the situation (in a completely general sense)?
    Also, could you guys discuss ways to get yourselves out of sticky situations like this? I think a lot of people will be feeling this kind of pinch right now (especially WA).

 

 

 

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