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Episode 084 | Why you Shouldn’t Invest in Property?

Yes, we know it can sound a bit contradictory. This is a property podcast with two of Australia’s top property experts and we even did an episode on why invest in property! So why would we talk about not investing in property?

Well, the fact is, investing in property is not the perfect type of investment for everyone. There are certain times in an investor’s journey where it is simply a bad time to start investing. There are also times when investors need to first reflect on their mindset before they start. Property investing is a high-value investment, and you’ve heard us repeatedly saying that it is for the long-term. It’s like following a recipe. If you don’t have all the essential ingredients in place, it’s best if you don’t cook the dish. So if you don’t have everything in line, it may be better for you to stay away from it for the time being.

So in today’s episode, Bryce and Ben will be sharing a few reasons on why you shouldn’t invest in property. The first is when you decide to invest purely for tax purposes.

 

Free resources mentioned in this podcast:

  • CoreLogic Pain and Gain report – Read here
  • Money SMART Report – Download here
  • Webinar with Bryce Holdaway and Jane Slack-Smith on Renovating an Ugly Duckling – Register here
  • FREE Tickets to the Sydney Property Buyer Expo (Coupon code: PBE16BRYHOL) – Get them here

 

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Facebook Live Bonus Episode – Q&A

Thank you for coming to our Facebook Live event on 13th of Sept! We received a lot of great questions that night but unfortunately, time ran out and we couldn’t answer all of your questions. We really do appreciate you taking some time away from your busy life to listen to us so that is why we are recording a bonus episode (or as Ben called it Bonusisode) today to answer all the remaining questions!

 

And for your convenience, here’s the list of questions that we answered in this episode along with the order they are in. 🙂

 

ps: if you aren’t sure what we are talking about, check out our Facebook page! If you don’t have the book, you can get a copy here.

 

 

 

From Order Message
Chris Topher 1 (Time: 01:00) Assuming one has a portfolio of 5 investment properties and has entered the debt retirement phase, what does this actually look like? Is it a matter of spreading all excess cash flow evenly across the offset accounts against each loan until they are all cash flow positive or do you target the biggest loan and pay that out first (by matching the outstanding loan amount in the offset account) and move on to the next biggest loan? If these are all interest-only loans with the interest-only period ending for all 5 loans over the next 18-24 months how do you manage this, as it wouldn’t be affordable to any family budget for multiple loans to become principal and interest, so is it a case of constantly refinancing these loans and staggering the when they come out of their interest only period?
Adeline Teo 2 (Time: 03:17) What are your thoughts about having a property portfolio with a mixture of properties, some with good rental income and some with good growth potential but negative net income?
Ashish Isaac 3 (Time: 04:10) Hey guys love the podcast, and the book. I have a financial question to ask. I currently have a principal place of interest (paying P&I for the next 3 years, and I can’t change that as I have just fixed it unfortunately), now for example and using round figures, say if I have a saving of $25k, with a current monthly surplus of only $500 would I be better off to use my savings to pay of any agent fees (e.g. buyers agent, financial planners etc.) and with what’s left over use that as part of the surplus for the next 3 years until I can release more funds from my principle place of interest, or use all the savings to put it towards the deposit for my first investment property, this is to achieve retiring with $2000 per week hope this makes sense. thank you for all the information you have provided us this far, really appreciate it. cheers Ash
David-Anthony Gunter 4 (Time: 06:05) Love the podcast and book! A massive fan! I have a question about inconsistent bank valuations. I purchased a two (2) bedroom unit in Rosanna in Melbourne last year in November for $275,000. I purchased this through a Buyers Agent (not you guys….SORRY!!!….but I followed the principals I have learned in the podcast) The settlement was Feb 29 2016 and I had the property re-valued a week later by several banks. I had a valuation for $480,000….$330,000….$400,000 and $295,000!!!! Is this common???
Ryan Price 5 (Time: 08:27) Hi Guys.. 26 years old and Looking at purchasing my first property. Is it better to buy a 1st home (owner/occupy) or would it be better to buy an investment property first and continue renting (minimal rent as it’s the family home so handy for saving)
Samantha Rackley 6 (Time: 08:53) Thanks so much for your time tonight – great job! I am confused about the difference between capital growth and income (yield) returns? Is one more important than the other or should you look for a property that is high in both returns?
Evon Fung 7 (Time: 10:27) Hi guys, love the podcast and found the book really helpful. I’ve been using a great budgeting software for the last 10 years but I recall you mentioned something in one of your podcasts that you may have a software which can track budgeting. Is this available? (ps, will you be at the Property Buyer Expo in Sydney?)
Graeme Ash 8 (Time: 12:14) Big thanks to Jake and co recently for their help!
Quick Q:, With investment properties, is it work getting a regular valuation say every 2 years to check available equity for next property or rely on market comparable?
Jack Cole 9 (Time: 13:56) Love ya work boys! I’m 25, if I could change one thing in the world we live in, my very long term goal is to introduce property investing as a school subject in years 11 and 12. I’ve been lucky enough to have family who invest but not all kids are. What are your thoughts?
Jag Randhawa 10 (Time: 15:52) I am a passionate and always ready to learn individual. I have recently developed a keen interest in property market. Where do I start if I want to make a career out of it?? What sort of options do I have and what courses are must before I even think about stepping my foot in the market?? Really appreciate all the info u guys give out for free. It’s GOLD.
Jag Randhawa 11 (Time: 16:32) I am thinking about engaging a Buyers Agent once my strategy plan is build, but how can I make sure that my BA is not getting me into something that favors him more than me. By that I mean how can I make sure that he is choosing the right property for me only and not looking just to sell one??
Jaye Kershler 12 (Time: 18:11) On a high income for next 2 years would you buy a more expensive eg 600k property or a 450k property
Johnny Rambo Azzopardi 13 (Time: 19:13) Hello guys, do you think the Gold Coast will bring capital growth as the media and buyers agents would have you to believe in the mid to long term.
Leisa Caines 14 (Time: 20:53) If I had access to equity to buy a ‘cheap’ investment property now should I buy one now or wait 12mths to when I have more equity to buy a more expensive Investment property?
Maria Austin 15 (Time: 21:38) Hi Ben and Bryce, I can’t get my head around how you can keep leveraging equity out to purchase more properties without running out of borrowing capacity, assuming that you are only purchasing only blue chip properties that don’t quickly become positively geared. Surely at some point the banks will stop lending to you, even if you have the equity. p.S. Hi Ivise 🙂
Matt Bray 16 (Time: 24:14) Hi, my question is based on a first home buyer, how much would you recommend is needed for a first investment property and would i be better buying when i reach this sum or saving for a bigger deposit and buying a bigger investment ? thanks!
Micky Marafioti 17 (Time: 25:15) Do you have any thoughts on investment in Port Adelaide, in Adelaide. Recent times has seen it to be a semi low social economic area, but there is enormous residential and commercial developments occurring there at the moment.
Nat Bowden 18 (Time: 27:21) Gents what to do next? Own a townhouse as a ppor and will keep it as an investment going forward. Looking to buy a family home in 1-2 years. What to do? Save cash for this or buy an investment to leverage into the family ppor home?
Robert Thomas 19 (Time: 28:31) Hey guys – made it through the first 35 podcasts – great stuff. Where would you buy in Melbourne right now if you’re trying to stay under the first owner grant limit (<$600k)?
Chris 20 (Time: 29:45) Hi guys.
i’m looking forward to the Facebook event.
I have another question for you (number 4)
Is there any chance you can discuss in depth the process of buying a property through SMSF. ie the associated costs, required structure and minimum LVR.
Thanks
Chris
Maria Li 21 (Time: 31:00) Hi Ben and Bryce
I understand that the process of building a portfolio involves repeatedly taking equity out of existing properties to purchase more properties. I’ve heard multiple stories of investors being able to repeat this process every 1-2 years.
What I can’t wrap my head around is how an investor can take equity out of their properties every 1-2 years without falling short of lenders’ serviceability requirements.  Each time you take out equity, you are essentially taking out another loan, and the lender needs to know you have the income to service that loan. Unless you are buying only positive-geared properties (which most of us aren’t), surely at some point a lender would tell you that you’ve run out of income to service another equity release loan… I understand that part of the answer is that properties become positively geared over time, but that can take 5-10 years. Some of us would like to buy more than once every 5-10 years.
This is assuming all the loans in the portfolio are structured as interest-only loans with offset accounts, and that all spare cash is put into the offset accounts rather than paying off the loans. In the eyes of the lender, this means that all your loans are still at their maximum/initial balance. Theoretically a lender shouldn’t be willing to keep lending to someone who (on surface) never pays off their loans, and yet keeps taking out more loans…and yet that’s what is done by investors all the time!
What is the piece of the puzzle I’m missing?  Ben and Bryce – how does it work? As you know I’m a big fan of the podcast, keep up the great work!

 

Episode 077 | Right Strategy in the Right Market at the Right Time

What is the possibility of investing in property with the right strategy, in the right market, at the right time? Well, that depends. Now, we know this sounds really vague but in order to determine that, one need to ask if they have the right understanding in the first place? Because it is very dangerous if the perception of a right strategy or a right market is wrong and you go ahead and build a property portfolio based on your assumptions. For example, if Alex believes that capital growth is the right strategy and buying within 5km radius from Melbourne CBD is the right market, then he would be in a very tricky situation because the supply at the moment is quite low (unless he has a very deep pocket).

So in this episode of The Property Couch podcast, Bryce Holdaway and Ben Kingsley focuses on understanding what is considered as “the right market” and why it is important that you take the long view on where the market is going before committing to anything. Bryce and Ben will also be answering Maria’s question on cash flow management and an investor’s mindset. Here’s the question:

“Hi guys

Love the podcast and the book,  well-deserved success with both.

How do you draw the line between good cash flow management and depriving yourself of things you enjoy? My husband and I have always lived within our means and we now have two properties under our belt in Sydney, with plans to buy more. We’re in our thirties. But I’ve found that as we’ve come along the investing journey I’ve become increasingly preoccupied with spending less. I have no issues buying necessities, paying bills, or paying for things that benefit our investing or our health. I don’t blink an eye at spending on insurances, BA fees, etc, because those things are useful and necessary.

However, when contemplating discretionary lifestyle purchases, often costing less than $100 (you know, stuff you don’t need, but want) I spend weeks analysing whether to buy, to the extent that I’m spending too much energy on it. I guess I worry that if I spend $100 here and $100 there, I’ll just eat away at our cash buffers. What are your personal real life experiences with discretionary spending while trying to build a property portfolio? Did you and your family buy your toys and vices freely, or did you find yourself analysing every purchase?

I want to have the best cash flow position possible, but I want to have occasional frivolous luxuries too. I know I need some sort of mindset shift, but what does that shift look like?”

 

Some of the resources mentioned in this podcast:

 

Website - The Property Couch half a million downloadPS: And we’ve just achieved half a million downloads on the podcast! Thank you so much for all of your support and feedback. We will continue to provide good quality contents, ‘unpack’ more frameworks and case studies and answer your questions on all things property. If you are wondering what are the boys doing in this picture, this is what happens when Bryce Holdaway and Ben Kingsley heard that we’ve got half a million downloads on the podcast!

Episode 73 | Building a property portfolio in a tough market – Chat with Damian Collins

 

It is Special Guest Day and we’ve got Damian Collins from Momentum Wealth with us on our very first Vodcast!

Just a bit of a background on Damian, he is an established property investor, the founder and managing director of Momentum Wealth, a Perth-based property investment and buyers advocacy firm and is also on the board of PIPA which means he is very well qualified to talk about the art of investing in property and building a portfolio.

So for today’s episode, the three of them will be talking about:

  • Damian’s experience as an investor and what motivated him to build his portfolio
  • The mistakes, lessons and investing tips he learned as an investor
  • How is the Perth’s property market doing and where is it on the cycle
  • Was there a sentiment shift considering the recent economic changes
  • How does he conduct his property research when it comes to asset selection
  • What are his principles and investment strategy when it comes to building a property portfolio in a tough market
  • Some of the horror stories that he has seen in his seat

 

PS: We hope you enjoy watching the video and we would really like to hear what you think about it! If you like it, let us know and we will produce this more regularly. 🙂

 

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Live Questions and Answer Chat on Property Investing – June 2016

The Property Couch podcast is all about helping others avoid making bad property investment mistakes and sharing the insiders guide to property investing. That is why on the 29th of June 2016, Bryce and Ben decides to hold a Live Questions and Answers Chat on Property Investing so that we can interact directly with our fellow listeners. Thank you to all of you who have joined in and if you would like to watch a replay of this, here’s a recording on Youtube:

List of questions Answered:

  1. Will Sederino: My question is about claiming depreciation on an existing property that has been renovated. We are about to purchase a property (using Empower Wealth’s Buyer Agents) that has recently been renovated by the previous owner and wonder whether we can claim depreciation on this renovation even though it was not us that completed it. My gut feel is that we would be able to? Is this correct?
  2. Mitch Scholard: G’day fellas, wondering your thoughts on which capital city will see the best capital growth over the next 5 years.
  3. Luke Stirton: Does development and renovation provide the secret to accelerated gains in today’s increasingly harder market to get ahead?
  4. Angela Cerasi: Hi guys, I am new to property investing and am currently in my research phase. Have listened to all your podcasts and enjoyed them immensely! I have 2 questions. (1) If a potential investment property is to have owner occupier appeal, then won’t you be competing with owner/occupiers when it comes to buying? From what I understand this means you could be competing with emotional buyers who could push the price up. I don’t think renovating is for me, so I would be buying a place that would be pretty much ready to be lived in by tenants. I of course want to find an area which is gentrifying, but wouldn’t owner/occupiers who are looking for a great buy also be looking for this too? (2) If a buyers agent takes a fixed fee, how much time would they generally dedicate to finding your property? Do you come to them with the city/suburb in mind or do they come to you with those details based on your personal situation? Do they keep looking for you until a property is successfully purchased? I appreciate that all buyer’s agents would differ but maybe you can give me an idea of how it works?”
  5. Maria Li: Can you do a PAYG withholding variation the first year that you own investment property (based on projected cash flows) or do you have to wait a year so that you can base future withholding variations on the previous year?
  6. Leisa Caines: Hi Bryce & Ben, love the podcast & your book. Hear you talk about finding an investment savvy mortgage broker but where do you find one? I’m in North west area in Sydney
  7. Brad McCreadie: Would you buy now or wait to see what happens to apartment prices in Briz. Looking at a 2 bedroom as owner occupy initially but then to use as investment.
  8. Karl Frank: Hi Guys. What will be the impact to the housing market if Labour win the next election and implement their changes to the Capital Gains Tax as it relates to investment properties?
  9. Mark Rogal: If Labour win the election, negative gearing and CGT changes won’t kick in until mid-2017. In your opinion, what is the most likely scenario for prices of established homes between now and July 2017? Thanks for the great insights! Cheers!
  10. George Kallinikos: I was wondering what is a suitable time frame is to wait it out during a period of experiencing little to no growth. I have owned a one bedroom apartment in a Melbourne blue chip location of Hawthorn since 2008 and it has barely kept up with inflation. This has left me disillusioned during a period where Melbourne overall has seen incredible growth. I understand exit / repurchase costs but also realise that the opportunity cost of this investment has been quite high. What are your thoughts?
  11. Bradden Mitchell: GDay Bryce & Ben. Does an investment grade property have to be over $500K ?
  12. Jack Killalea: If there is a significant price correction in the CBD apartment market over the next 2-3 years, will these apartments become potentially good investments or because they lack scarcity they will always be fundamentally not investment grade?
  13. Geoff Smith: Hey guys just a quick question, how does it work with using parents equity from their homes. How does the loan get structured or would it be used as a line of credit against there property?
  14. Graeme Ash: Hello Couchers, Great Show 🙂 Quick question – with banks only lending 60% for loans, do you think it is better to go for the biggest, blue chip, investment grade, growth asset you can afford using all your super or go for a cheaper property so your 40% does wipe you out and you can start saving for property 2.
  15. Felix Tjandrawibawa: What’s the best way to estimate capital growth for a suburb? Are you guys looking at historical growth (if so – how long do you guys look for?)?
  16. Rachel Hubbard: Hey guys. I’m now in a position to buy my next investment property. However my financial goal is to pay off my ppor in the next 5-10 years. Given that property investment is a long term strategy, do you suggest buying another investment property in an attempt to gain equity and sell in 5-10 years to pay off my ppor? Or given the high costs involved in buying/selling, should I look to invest in other ways to achieve this goal?
  17. Alex Hill: Are all house and land packages dud investments? In 2013 I bought land in North Lakes QLD and built a lowest house. I spent about $50K over median price for the area, trying to maintain some owner-occupier resale appeal. It’s currently cash flow neutral but I’m concerned there will never be any growth, and I’ll now struggle to accumulate a deposit for a second investment property. What are your thoughts?
  18. Amy Hambin: When building an investment property is yield calculated on land and construction costs or the first valuation on completion?
  19. Daniel Stocks: Hi guys, do you often come across clients who’s properties come in at less than purchase price when applying for finance?
  20. Sam Hockey: Hey guys, am I better off looking at an investment property towards the upper end of my lending capacity ($800k) to get into the better areas of Brisbane or looking further out for something around $400k to setup my next investment property purchase sooner? Love the podcast I’ve just finished it for the 2nd time around!!
  21. Richard Bristoe: Hi Bryce and Ben, I just want to ask what are your thoughts on Brexit, and how it will affect the Australian property market in the short and long term?
  22. Mitch Scholard: Would love your thoughts on the Sunshine Coast, I feel like it has great owner occupier appeal but not sure it has the income to keep property prices increasing.
  23. Daniel Stocks: If looking for properties interstate in unfamiliar areas, what advice can you give for narrowing down investment grade suburbs?
  24. Tammy Nguyen: What are your thoughts on the Logan area in Brisbane?
  25. Sam Hockey: How much does a Buyers Agent cost?
  26. Gaz Slater: How long do you wait for a city that’s nearing the bottom of its cycle before buying. Eg Perth.

 

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